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		<title>Comment on 2017: RIP, OER? by On Elsevier and the academic project &#124; Richard Hall&#039;s Space</title>
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		<dc:creator>On Elsevier and the academic project &#124; Richard Hall&#039;s Space</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 11:49:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Money as value is almost the only form of academic cohesion that we are able to articulate. Thus, David Wiley opines that “Open education currently has no response to the coming wave of diagnostic, adaptive [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on &#8220;Think Different&#8221; about the College Completion Problem by TAFE</title>
		<link>http://opencontent.org/blog/archives/2169/comment-page-1#comment-49771</link>
		<dc:creator>TAFE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 05:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>College completion problem arises because people get disappointed with the results of the education which is too expensive and does not guarantee a job. So people figure that if they drop out they would have more success. However misleading that is!</description>
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		<title>Comment on Clarifying the RIP OER Post by Terry McAndrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terry McAndrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2012 12:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I need to spend time developing this idea properly but, in esscence, it&#039;s the value of the OERs to the academic participants that is the problem. 

For some, OER could be just another source of funding in very difficult times which provides them with time to spend on developing materials and e-skills, but not an opportunity to shift the academic world into more effective sharing. Don&#039;t get me wrong - Academics like sharing, but in a biased way because of how they are employed and valued. Evidence: the low number of those building upon existing resources, and the low number of community developed resources - there is no real gain when the significant credit goes to those disseminating more content &#039;outwards&#039;. Improving and enhancing another&#039;s resources, or teaching with the best of them (which must involve some significant scholarship in finding, evaluating and integrating them) has no significant reward: there is no realistic market to improve and enhance an OER continuously as the most recent invividual&#039;s enhancement appears at the bottom of the credits, not the top.  If you write your own (perhaps &#039;inspired&#039; by another OER) and release it you are more likely to get &#039;top billing&#039;, just like a journal paper.

If we were to create a model where we could invest funding in giving students and staff &#039;credits&#039; to spend in the marketplace for assembling course materials around a curriculum needs shared between institutions, we might create a real demand for the multimedia textbooks Brian seeks but this would only work for &#039;big&#039; OER. Staff involved could share the &#039;credit profits&#039; and the best multimedia textbooks would attract new contributors who will climb on-board something which is clearly proving popular. Sustainable (obviously accessible) OERs would thrive at the expense of &#039;box-ticking&#039; releases which were created to secure funding for a one-off activity: small and nimble OER &#039;elements&#039; could be the indvividual &#039;tracks&#039; similar to iTunes. Compilation albums of OER would appear around common needs but we have to find a way to empower the students to develop the market demands and trade. 

The music industry has been improved by new business models in competition with each other( e.g. Napster vs iTunes). This only became viable due to new distribution models and technology, but this did not evolve from the resources (music tracks) themselves so OER content is not likely to evolve a successful business model either. 

We need to have each community engaged with OERs in most relevant way: Open Academic Practice needs Academics and their managers to develop the business model for OER use; OERs need the Learning Technologists to trade the &#039;learning gains&#039; from their solutions and the students need to be able to trade/share the value of a solution which worked to teach them a difficult topic/concept. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I need to spend time developing this idea properly but, in esscence, it&#8217;s the value of the OERs to the academic participants that is the problem. </p>
<p>For some, OER could be just another source of funding in very difficult times which provides them with time to spend on developing materials and e-skills, but not an opportunity to shift the academic world into more effective sharing. Don&#8217;t get me wrong &#8211; Academics like sharing, but in a biased way because of how they are employed and valued. Evidence: the low number of those building upon existing resources, and the low number of community developed resources - there is no real gain when the significant credit goes to those disseminating more content &#8216;outwards&#8217;. Improving and enhancing another&#8217;s resources, or teaching with the best of them (which must involve some significant scholarship in finding, evaluating and integrating them) has no significant reward: there is no realistic market to improve and enhance an OER continuously as the most recent invividual&#8217;s enhancement appears at the bottom of the credits, not the top.  If you write your own (perhaps &#8216;inspired&#8217; by another OER) and release it you are more likely to get &#8216;top billing&#8217;, just like a journal paper.</p>
<p>If we were to create a model where we could invest funding in giving students and staff &#8217;credits&#8217; to spend in the marketplace for assembling course materials around a curriculum needs shared between institutions, we might create a real demand for the multimedia textbooks Brian seeks but this would only work for &#8217;big&#8217; OER. Staff involved could share the &#8216;credit profits&#8217; and the best multimedia textbooks would attract new contributors who will climb on-board something which is clearly proving popular. Sustainable (obviously accessible) OERs would thrive at the expense of &#8216;box-ticking&#8217; releases which were created to secure funding for a one-off activity: small and nimble OER &#8216;elements&#8217; could be the indvividual &#8216;tracks&#8217; similar to iTunes. Compilation albums of OER would appear around common needs but we have to find a way to empower the students to develop the market demands and trade. </p>
<p>The music industry has been improved by new business models in competition with each other( e.g. Napster vs iTunes). This only became viable due to new distribution models and technology, but this did not evolve from the resources (music tracks) themselves so OER content is not likely to evolve a successful business model either. </p>
<p>We need to have each community engaged with OERs in most relevant way: Open Academic Practice needs Academics and their managers to develop the business model for OER use; OERs need the Learning Technologists to trade the &#8216;learning gains&#8217; from their solutions and the students need to be able to trade/share the value of a solution which worked to teach them a difficult topic/concept.</p>
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		<title>Comment on 2017: RIP, OER? by Glen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 17:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David, great post! You of course remember Nixty. Interactive sequenced lessons, ability to drag and drop learning assets, test/quiz functionality and...a cognitive tutor with hints and scaffolding! We&#039;ve worked with WPI and have the algorithms for the adaptive components - just haven&#039;t had the time to implement yet. There are of course a number of limitations but we are steadily making -- iterating towards -- progress!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, great post! You of course remember Nixty. Interactive sequenced lessons, ability to drag and drop learning assets, test/quiz functionality and&#8230;a cognitive tutor with hints and scaffolding! We&#8217;ve worked with WPI and have the algorithms for the adaptive components &#8211; just haven&#8217;t had the time to implement yet. There are of course a number of limitations but we are steadily making &#8212; iterating towards &#8212; progress!</p>
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		<title>Comment on 2017: RIP, OER? by Frank Sapp</title>
		<link>http://opencontent.org/blog/archives/2177/comment-page-1#comment-49767</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank Sapp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 17:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look at http://atavist.net/ - still in beta for public use, but allows the same interactive multimedia experience as iBooks Author.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look at <a href="http://atavist.net/" rel="nofollow">http://atavist.net/</a> &#8211; still in beta for public use, but allows the same interactive multimedia experience as iBooks Author. </p>
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		<title>Comment on 2017: RIP, OER? by David Lippman</title>
		<link>http://opencontent.org/blog/archives/2177/comment-page-1#comment-49765</link>
		<dc:creator>David Lippman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 02:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are a few OER projects that have open assessment built on open engines.  WebWork and my project, IMathAS / MyOpenMath.com, for example.  But while we have some really cool stuff, there&#039;s only a certain level we can reach with little to no funding.

Also, with static OER, the development can be funded then the maintenance can, in theory, happen for free through the user community. Interactive OER is different: we need programmers and designers to maintain and improve the product.  We need more advanced web hosting. Not to mention that many faculty won&#039;t consider software products without customer support to help them figure out how to use it, and that costs money.  If we have to charge users, like OLI does, to maintain the open product, then we lose many of the &quot;why open&quot; arguments.

If you figure out an answer (or a good source of funding) let me know :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are a few OER projects that have open assessment built on open engines.  WebWork and my project, IMathAS / MyOpenMath.com, for example.  But while we have some really cool stuff, there&#8217;s only a certain level we can reach with little to no funding.</p>
<p>Also, with static OER, the development can be funded then the maintenance can, in theory, happen for free through the user community. Interactive OER is different: we need programmers and designers to maintain and improve the product.  We need more advanced web hosting. Not to mention that many faculty won&#8217;t consider software products without customer support to help them figure out how to use it, and that costs money.  If we have to charge users, like OLI does, to maintain the open product, then we lose many of the &#8220;why open&#8221; arguments.</p>
<p>If you figure out an answer (or a good source of funding) let me know <img src='http://opencontent.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on Clarifying the RIP OER Post by drchuck</title>
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		<dc:creator>drchuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 00:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually think if we were to develop good tools to author engaging OER content, we would see more OER content and better OER content and competitive OER content.  GarageBand enables both free and non-free content to be produced more effectively.  OER will die if we keep funding the same old (as of last week) obsolete approaches to OER content authoring.  Funding agencies need to give their money to some people with a bold vision and the ability to deliver on that vision and they need to do it quickly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually think if we were to develop good tools to author engaging OER content, we would see more OER content and better OER content and competitive OER content.  GarageBand enables both free and non-free content to be produced more effectively.  OER will die if we keep funding the same old (as of last week) obsolete approaches to OER content authoring.  Funding agencies need to give their money to some people with a bold vision and the ability to deliver on that vision and they need to do it quickly.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Clarifying the RIP OER Post by Brian Bridges</title>
		<link>http://opencontent.org/blog/archives/2181/comment-page-1#comment-49763</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Bridges</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 23:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Remember when people thought Napster was the wave of the future, that no one would be paying for music within a few years? That all went away when Apple created the iPod and iTunes. They didn&#039;t invent the technology. They just made it easy, and for that people were willing to pay for music.

The same is true of textbooks. yes, you&#039;re right that OER won&#039;t go away. Free mp3s still abound on the net and Jamendo.com, with it&#039;s 55K free albums, still is a wonder. Still, i buy my music on amazon or iTunes. Highly interactive, sophisticated resources that engage students are not cheap to build, and OER will never fully emulate them. There are great open textbooks, but I suspect we&#039;ll never see great, free, interactive textbooks with video, multimedia, and assessments. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember when people thought Napster was the wave of the future, that no one would be paying for music within a few years? That all went away when Apple created the iPod and iTunes. They didn&#8217;t invent the technology. They just made it easy, and for that people were willing to pay for music.</p>
<p>The same is true of textbooks. yes, you&#8217;re right that OER won&#8217;t go away. Free mp3s still abound on the net and Jamendo.com, with it&#8217;s 55K free albums, still is a wonder. Still, i buy my music on amazon or iTunes. Highly interactive, sophisticated resources that engage students are not cheap to build, and OER will never fully emulate them. There are great open textbooks, but I suspect we&#8217;ll never see great, free, interactive textbooks with video, multimedia, and assessments. </p>
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		<title>Comment on 2017: RIP, OER? by Phil Long</title>
		<link>http://opencontent.org/blog/archives/2177/comment-page-1#comment-49762</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil Long</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 23:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David - there us hope, though uncertain in its longer term impact,mfrom the emergence of a learning analtyics community that has the drive, breadth, and commitment to learnig that characterised the early OER community. This isn&#039;t to say that the emergence  SoLAR with it&#039;s LAK conference sharing comminty is the white horse to save the day. But it offers hope.  In one sense I&#039;m less committed to the economic model that produces high quality adaptive response actionable feedback that affords real or near real-time insight into learning the learner can then use. I&#039;m interested that these tools develop. 

On the other hand I think a vibrant open scholarly community has proven vital to research in other domains and I see no credible argument to suggest it isn&#039;t here. It is the synergy of the emerging learning analytics community championed by SoLAR with open educational resources that has the best shot at delivering open adaptive response tools needed. 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David &#8211; there us hope, though uncertain in its longer term impact,mfrom the emergence of a learning analtyics community that has the drive, breadth, and commitment to learnig that characterised the early OER community. This isn&#8217;t to say that the emergence  SoLAR with it&#8217;s LAK conference sharing comminty is the white horse to save the day. But it offers hope.  In one sense I&#8217;m less committed to the economic model that produces high quality adaptive response actionable feedback that affords real or near real-time insight into learning the learner can then use. I&#8217;m interested that these tools develop. </p>
<p>On the other hand I think a vibrant open scholarly community has proven vital to research in other domains and I see no credible argument to suggest it isn&#8217;t here. It is the synergy of the emerging learning analytics community championed by SoLAR with open educational resources that has the best shot at delivering open adaptive response tools needed.</p>
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		<title>Comment on 2017: RIP, OER? by drchuck</title>
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		<dc:creator>drchuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 22:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that the OER world is about to fade away if it does not get some badly needed attention.  If the for-profit publication industry can get prices to be close enough to value, OER becomes a brave band of hippies yearning for the 1960&#039;s of OER.  I would go a little further that all the people leading the OER field and getting the funds that were available are partially responsible for this.  They have happily taken the resources they have been given and produced exceedingly dull and virtually useless technical solutions over and over again.   The sense that &quot;all is well&quot; and that &quot;we have our best people on the job often&quot; leads to reduced investment over time as people feel that a problem is well solved.  I ranted about this at great length in my blog several times in the past months.   I am happy to hear you saying the same thing albeit somewhat gentler :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that the OER world is about to fade away if it does not get some badly needed attention.  If the for-profit publication industry can get prices to be close enough to value, OER becomes a brave band of hippies yearning for the 1960&#8242;s of OER.  I would go a little further that all the people leading the OER field and getting the funds that were available are partially responsible for this.  They have happily taken the resources they have been given and produced exceedingly dull and virtually useless technical solutions over and over again.   The sense that &#8220;all is well&#8221; and that &#8220;we have our best people on the job often&#8221; leads to reduced investment over time as people feel that a problem is well solved.  I ranted about this at great length in my blog several times in the past months.   I am happy to hear you saying the same thing albeit somewhat gentler <img src='http://opencontent.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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