Comments for iterating toward openness http://opencontent.org/blog pragmatism over zeal Tue, 31 Aug 2010 01:09:29 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 Comment on In response to Amy Kinsel by Amy Kinsel http://opencontent.org/blog/archives/1620/comment-page-1#comment-47556 Amy Kinsel Tue, 31 Aug 2010 01:09:29 +0000 http://opencontent.org/blog/?p=1620#comment-47556 David, I just read your thoughtful reply to my post. I returned last night from being out of town for 10 days and haven't had a chance yet to think carefully about your rebuttal, but I will do so and give you some further thoughts and ideas later this week. Thanks for the continuing dialog on and important topic. Amy Kinsel David,
I just read your thoughtful reply to my post. I returned last night from being out of town for 10 days and haven’t had a chance yet to think carefully about your rebuttal, but I will do so and give you some further thoughts and ideas later this week. Thanks for the continuing dialog on and important topic.
Amy Kinsel

]]> Comment on In response to Amy Kinsel by Muvaffak Gozaydin http://opencontent.org/blog/archives/1620/comment-page-1#comment-47488 Muvaffak Gozaydin Sat, 28 Aug 2010 21:12:31 +0000 http://opencontent.org/blog/?p=1620#comment-47488 Dear David : I wonder why all critics against online and OER come from teachers. No other people are against. I say very bluntly that after 20 years we will not need any teachers for learning in the sense of today's teachers. We will need some other format. So I urge from today education schools should plan for 20 years from now . Dear David :
I wonder why all critics against online and OER come from teachers.
No other people are against.
I say very bluntly that after 20 years we will not need any teachers for learning in the sense of today’s teachers.
We will need some other format. So I urge from today education schools should plan for 20 years from now .

]]> Comment on Utah and Open Education by Muvaffak Gozaydin http://opencontent.org/blog/archives/1628/comment-page-1#comment-47480 Muvaffak Gozaydin Sat, 28 Aug 2010 19:58:43 +0000 http://opencontent.org/blog/?p=1628#comment-47480 Beautiful David I wish we would see the same actions in overall USA. High quality online is solution for education from cradle to grave mgozaydin@hotmail.com from Turkey Beautiful David

I wish we would see the same actions in overall USA.

High quality online is solution for education from cradle to grave

mgozaydin@hotmail.com from Turkey

]]> Comment on In response to Amy Kinsel by Response to Amy Kinsel | http://opencontent.org/blog/archives/1620/comment-page-1#comment-47378 Response to Amy Kinsel | Fri, 27 Aug 2010 01:28:34 +0000 http://opencontent.org/blog/?p=1620#comment-47378 [...] days ago OEN pointed out an article by Professor Amy Kinsel, who gave a critique of open education. David Wiley has now posted a response. From the post: I think it’s a terrible shame that our face-to-face [...] [...] days ago OEN pointed out an article by Professor Amy Kinsel, who gave a critique of open education. David Wiley has now posted a response. From the post: I think it’s a terrible shame that our face-to-face [...]

]]> Comment on Research on OER Sustainability and Impact by Muvaffak Gozaydin http://opencontent.org/blog/archives/1596/comment-page-1#comment-47207 Muvaffak Gozaydin Sun, 22 Aug 2010 14:48:44 +0000 http://opencontent.org/blog/?p=1596#comment-47207 To my dear OER supporters : 7 billion people of the world are waiting for and begging for a free really free ONLINE ENGLISH FOR FOREIGNERS English has to be a universal language in order to have online education TO BE EFFECTIVE. Who can do it ? It is not ewxpensive either. Please respond to me mgozaydin@hotmail.com from Turkey To my dear OER supporters :

7 billion people of the world are waiting for and begging for a free really free ONLINE ENGLISH FOR FOREIGNERS

English has to be a universal language in order to have online education TO BE EFFECTIVE.

Who can do it ? It is not ewxpensive either.
Please respond to me mgozaydin@hotmail.com from Turkey

]]> Comment on Research on OER Sustainability and Impact by Muvaffak Gozaydin http://opencontent.org/blog/archives/1596/comment-page-1#comment-47206 Muvaffak Gozaydin Sun, 22 Aug 2010 14:43:35 +0000 http://opencontent.org/blog/?p=1596#comment-47206 Dear Wiley I see your name more often lately. You have good vision. All my American friends think USA is the whole world. USA has only 300 million population. World 7 billion people are looking for education in every kind. Beauty of ONLINE is development cost is high but it appeals to 7 billion in somewhere. Therefore cost per person is nill. Then just charge few $ per course for the world. This assures sustainability. Same for e-books. Give something to author as well. They get only 10 % of the retail price of a hard bind books anyhow. So we should pay the author $ 5-20 per book per year. If millions read it authors will be richer than now. Nothing shpould be free. Free things are worthless things But prevent the high profits as well. Just charge people cost + 10 % profit . This formula gives only $ 10 or so for an ebook or even for an online course. We, in Turkey, spent $ 60 million for all K12 ONLINE courses in 12 years. Now 15.000.000 K12 students in Turkey enjoy it. Free. Thanks to Turk telekom. But sure Turk telekom sells more internet connections as well. This is vision . Thank a lot Wiley for your efforts for online. But I am against free OER material. Quality is a must. Also there should be a reputable school behind it. Plus academic value ( credit ) My model is academicearth.org We should support that model more than anything else. Best regards mgozaydin@hotmail.com from Turkey Dear Wiley
I see your name more often lately. You have good vision.

All my American friends think USA is the whole world.
USA has only 300 million population.
World 7 billion people are looking for education in every kind.
Beauty of ONLINE is development cost is high but it appeals to 7 billion in somewhere. Therefore cost per person is nill. Then just charge few $ per course for the world. This assures sustainability.
Same for e-books. Give something to author as well. They get only 10 % of the retail price of a hard bind books anyhow. So we should pay the author $ 5-20 per book per year. If millions read it authors will be richer than now.

Nothing shpould be free.
Free things are worthless things
But prevent the high profits as well.
Just charge people cost + 10 % profit . This formula gives
only $ 10 or so for an ebook or even for an online course.

We, in Turkey, spent $ 60 million for all K12 ONLINE courses in 12 years. Now 15.000.000 K12 students in Turkey enjoy it. Free. Thanks to Turk telekom. But sure Turk telekom sells more internet connections as well.
This is vision .
Thank a lot Wiley for your efforts for online.
But I am against free OER material. Quality is a must. Also there should be a reputable school behind it. Plus academic value ( credit )
My model is academicearth.org
We should support that model more than anything else.
Best regards mgozaydin@hotmail.com from Turkey

]]> Comment on Research on OER Sustainability and Impact by David Porter http://opencontent.org/blog/archives/1596/comment-page-1#comment-47103 David Porter Fri, 20 Aug 2010 00:28:50 +0000 http://opencontent.org/blog/?p=1596#comment-47103 Thanks David. I've acknowledged FlatWorld Knowledge as a breakthrough approach in another post. Appreciate this list and your role in leading the charge. Saludos. d. Thanks David.

I’ve acknowledged FlatWorld Knowledge as a breakthrough approach in another post. Appreciate this list and your role in leading the charge.

Saludos.

d.

]]> Comment on Why Openness? by Leigh Blackall http://opencontent.org/blog/archives/1584/comment-page-1#comment-47078 Leigh Blackall Thu, 19 Aug 2010 04:00:56 +0000 http://opencontent.org/blog/?p=1584#comment-47078 I was nodding in agreement to the dot points of why, and had to lean forward when you said, "<i>Alas, none of these hypotheses are correct.</i>" At risk of drawing us all into a debate ages old, I think Dan's comment also hints at the same point. Do copyrights really affect teachers ability to copy and adapt media? Remember Brian Lamb's post <a href="http://learnonline.wordpress.com/2008/11/13/do-we-need-open-educational-resources-oer/" rel="nofollow">questioning the need for OER</a>? It rang true to me. This is not to say OER is pointless, far from it. Its to say that the points you originally listed (and then some) are exactly the point. You could add things like OER builds critical literacy, enhances awareness (and compliance with) copyright law, engages with online communities and resources that are a better fit with learning and public education.. there's more. The <i>local control</i>/freedom argument seems too abstract , and puts too much emphasis on content again. There are many other reasons other than copyright as to why teachers and students do and don't modify educational resources. OER addresses them too, copyright is way down the list... I reckon I was nodding in agreement to the dot points of why, and had to lean forward when you said, “Alas, none of these hypotheses are correct.”

At risk of drawing us all into a debate ages old, I think Dan’s comment also hints at the same point. Do copyrights really affect teachers ability to copy and adapt media?

Remember Brian Lamb’s post questioning the need for OER? It rang true to me. This is not to say OER is pointless, far from it. Its to say that the points you originally listed (and then some) are exactly the point. You could add things like OER builds critical literacy, enhances awareness (and compliance with) copyright law, engages with online communities and resources that are a better fit with learning and public education.. there’s more.

The local control/freedom argument seems too abstract , and puts too much emphasis on content again. There are many other reasons other than copyright as to why teachers and students do and don’t modify educational resources. OER addresses them too, copyright is way down the list… I reckon

]]> Comment on OHSU Orientations! by Some Items From The Open High School « Virtual School Meanderings http://opencontent.org/blog/archives/1578/comment-page-1#comment-47075 Some Items From The Open High School « Virtual School Meanderings Thu, 19 Aug 2010 00:57:49 +0000 http://opencontent.org/blog/?p=1578#comment-47075 [...] OHSU Orientations! from iterating toward openness (for those unfamiliar, this is David Wiley’s blog) [...] [...] OHSU Orientations! from iterating toward openness (for those unfamiliar, this is David Wiley’s blog) [...]

]]> Comment on About Mormons and Same-Sex Marriage by leighblackall http://opencontent.org/blog/archives/1574/comment-page-1#comment-47074 leighblackall Wed, 18 Aug 2010 22:52:26 +0000 http://opencontent.org/blog/?p=1574#comment-47074 An interesting post, relevant to me here in Australia as the issue has come up in our federal election. Our major parties also appose marriage of same sex couples, but none have attempted to rationally explain why. I'm not a religious person, but can appreciate the importance of belief, tradition, culture and ceremony. Your proposed seperation of church and state seems reasonable, but at what point does it become reasonable for the state (a democratically representative one) to challenge the discriminate beliefs of a church? If a church was racially discriminate in its practices, would a challenge be appropriate? History has a few examples, so I'd be interested to see reflection on the interpretations and beliefs of doctrine relative to the values of a wider societal context and point in time, at some point. Thanks for the thought provoking post Dave. An interesting post, relevant to me here in Australia as the issue has come up in our federal election. Our major parties also appose marriage of same sex couples, but none have attempted to rationally explain why.

I’m not a religious person, but can appreciate the importance of belief, tradition, culture and ceremony. Your proposed seperation of church and state seems reasonable, but at what point does it become reasonable for the state (a democratically representative one) to challenge the discriminate beliefs of a church? If a church was racially discriminate in its practices, would a challenge be appropriate? History has a few examples, so I’d be interested to see reflection on the interpretations and beliefs of doctrine relative to the values of a wider societal context and point in time, at some point.

Thanks for the thought provoking post Dave.

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