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	<title>Comments on: Dark Matter, Dark Reuse, and the Irrational Zeal of a Believer</title>
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	<description>pragmatism over zeal</description>
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		<title>By: Steven Egan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven Egan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 18:11:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find two things very interesting.

First is that people expect this content to be used at all right now. To be honest Wikipedia and http://www.reference.com/ covers a lot of information in an easily accessible and explorable format. That and at least Wikipedia is well known. I don&#039;t think the use and reuse will seriously happen while we deal with OER objects as objects. There are other places to find the info, so why should they use your OER?

Second is that it&#039;s a known fact that communities are mostly made up of users, not producers. Reusers would be a kind of producer. So, since I have hardly heard of their collections, I&#039;m rather impressed at the amount of use they have.

It seems like the real problem is that we are removing a few limitations, but not adding a lot of functionality or really showing the public what can be easily done with the materials (that could have compatibility issues). Personally, I&#039;d like to see some alternate functionality and interoperability between the OER silos.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find two things very interesting.</p>
<p>First is that people expect this content to be used at all right now. To be honest Wikipedia and <a href="http://www.reference.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.reference.com/</a> covers a lot of information in an easily accessible and explorable format. That and at least Wikipedia is well known. I don&#8217;t think the use and reuse will seriously happen while we deal with OER objects as objects. There are other places to find the info, so why should they use your OER?</p>
<p>Second is that it&#8217;s a known fact that communities are mostly made up of users, not producers. Reusers would be a kind of producer. So, since I have hardly heard of their collections, I&#8217;m rather impressed at the amount of use they have.</p>
<p>It seems like the real problem is that we are removing a few limitations, but not adding a lot of functionality or really showing the public what can be easily done with the materials (that could have compatibility issues). Personally, I&#8217;d like to see some alternate functionality and interoperability between the OER silos.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Allan</title>
		<link>http://opencontent.org/blog/archives/905/comment-page-1#comment-43625</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Allan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 09:15:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kia ora e David!

I like your &#039;dark matter&#039; metaphor.

You mentioned the BBC and CNN. It is well known in broadcasting that any attempt to run a survey on the worth or usefulness of a broadcast item gathers as much useful information as we have available right now on the quest for dark matter.

I guess you&#039;ve already worked that one out - hence the metaphor.

Catchya later</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kia ora e David!</p>
<p>I like your &#8216;dark matter&#8217; metaphor.</p>
<p>You mentioned the BBC and CNN. It is well known in broadcasting that any attempt to run a survey on the worth or usefulness of a broadcast item gathers as much useful information as we have available right now on the quest for dark matter.</p>
<p>I guess you&#8217;ve already worked that one out &#8211; hence the metaphor.</p>
<p>Catchya later</p>
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		<title>By: Leigh Blackall</title>
		<link>http://opencontent.org/blog/archives/905/comment-page-1#comment-43615</link>
		<dc:creator>Leigh Blackall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 09:39:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just rereading, I see that it is accepted sorry:

&lt;i&gt;If our goal is to create fantastically popular websites loaded with free content visited by millions of people each month, who find great value in the content but never adapt or remix it, then we’re doing fairly well. But so are CNN, the New York Times, the BBC, and other sites chock-full of freely available copyrighted content. We all understand that clearing copyright is the most expensive part of what we do…

So… what are we doing? &lt;/i&gt;

The real work in open education then, is to work out ways ofr people to access educational process and accessment. Such as your open courses, that have been adopted by Downes and Seimens, myself and Leinonen..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just rereading, I see that it is accepted sorry:</p>
<p><i>If our goal is to create fantastically popular websites loaded with free content visited by millions of people each month, who find great value in the content but never adapt or remix it, then we’re doing fairly well. But so are CNN, the New York Times, the BBC, and other sites chock-full of freely available copyrighted content. We all understand that clearing copyright is the most expensive part of what we do…</p>
<p>So… what are we doing? </i></p>
<p>The real work in open education then, is to work out ways ofr people to access educational process and accessment. Such as your open courses, that have been adopted by Downes and Seimens, myself and Leinonen..</p>
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		<title>By: Leigh Blackall</title>
		<link>http://opencontent.org/blog/archives/905/comment-page-1#comment-43614</link>
		<dc:creator>Leigh Blackall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 09:35:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure if you&#039;re suggesting that the &quot;dark matter&quot; reuse that happens outside projects like connexions, extends to wider (non educational) resources? 

So when Michael Wesch posts a video on Youtube and I embed it in a course blog and link to it from a course wiki and copy it to CD, is that dark reuse? And when the thousands of others evidently do it too, is that dark reuse? Or when I assign your blog post as a reading, or copy it into a text, is that dark reuse?

Certainly, I have never reused, or even searched Connexions for content to reuse, and that&#039;s where I whole heartedly agree with your point about OER. Also, I have not reused anything of any significance from Wikieducator either. Maybe a line of code here, or an image there, but nothing compared to the reuse I have made of a massive quantity of Flickr CC images and Youtube videos, and Wikipedia articles, or widgets I&#039;ve embedded.

Sorry if I&#039;m repeating an accepted point, but I&#039;m not sure if you accept that reuse happens everywhere BUT &quot;educational&quot; resources.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure if you&#8217;re suggesting that the &#8220;dark matter&#8221; reuse that happens outside projects like connexions, extends to wider (non educational) resources? </p>
<p>So when Michael Wesch posts a video on Youtube and I embed it in a course blog and link to it from a course wiki and copy it to CD, is that dark reuse? And when the thousands of others evidently do it too, is that dark reuse? Or when I assign your blog post as a reading, or copy it into a text, is that dark reuse?</p>
<p>Certainly, I have never reused, or even searched Connexions for content to reuse, and that&#8217;s where I whole heartedly agree with your point about OER. Also, I have not reused anything of any significance from Wikieducator either. Maybe a line of code here, or an image there, but nothing compared to the reuse I have made of a massive quantity of Flickr CC images and Youtube videos, and Wikipedia articles, or widgets I&#8217;ve embedded.</p>
<p>Sorry if I&#8217;m repeating an accepted point, but I&#8217;m not sure if you accept that reuse happens everywhere BUT &#8220;educational&#8221; resources.</p>
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		<title>By: Judy Breck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Judy Breck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 11:14:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[Since I placed this comment on your earlier post about this subject, and it has not been moderated, I am posting it again here. I don&#039;t want it to slip into dark matter :). No need to moderate the earlier posting. Thanks, Judy]

Hi David, and thanks to you and Dr. Duncan for making plain the OER nonuse reality. I have written about two things that can cause reuse of the best of OER online nodes: search engine optimization (SEO) and unbundling (as Nick Carr describes for print media in his The Big Switch chapter “The Great Unbundling.”).

Can I suggest that your graduate students look at the SEO and unbundling factors. Below are links to three articles in which I describe what seem to me to be the crucial role of findability that educators need to master.

All the best, Judy

Published in Educational Technology magazine, March-April 2009, “The Curious Case of the Polio Virus Learn Node”
(My polio virus link described in this article has already been visited 15 times today, and has been visited 3,566 for all time. Of those visits, there were click throughs to John’s Hopkins’ OER page 2 times today and 93 times for all time.)
Article:
http://www.goldenswamp.com/articles/edTech3.09/curious_case_polio_virus_learn_node.html
This is my very popular Polio Virus Learn Node:
http://www.learnodes.com/2007/09/03/polio-virion-released-into-the-gut/

Published in SES Magazine, March 2009
“OER: The Sleeping SEO Giant”
http://www.goldenswamp.com/articles/sesSleepingGiant.html

“Findability,” written April 2008
http://www.goldenswamp.com/findableWhitePaper/findable_Education_Page1.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[Since I placed this comment on your earlier post about this subject, and it has not been moderated, I am posting it again here. I don't want it to slip into dark matter <img src='http://opencontent.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> . No need to moderate the earlier posting. Thanks, Judy]</p>
<p>Hi David, and thanks to you and Dr. Duncan for making plain the OER nonuse reality. I have written about two things that can cause reuse of the best of OER online nodes: search engine optimization (SEO) and unbundling (as Nick Carr describes for print media in his The Big Switch chapter “The Great Unbundling.”).</p>
<p>Can I suggest that your graduate students look at the SEO and unbundling factors. Below are links to three articles in which I describe what seem to me to be the crucial role of findability that educators need to master.</p>
<p>All the best, Judy</p>
<p>Published in Educational Technology magazine, March-April 2009, “The Curious Case of the Polio Virus Learn Node”<br />
(My polio virus link described in this article has already been visited 15 times today, and has been visited 3,566 for all time. Of those visits, there were click throughs to John’s Hopkins’ OER page 2 times today and 93 times for all time.)<br />
Article:<br />
<a href="http://www.goldenswamp.com/articles/edTech3.09/curious_case_polio_virus_learn_node.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.goldenswamp.com/articles/edTech3.09/curious_case_polio_virus_learn_node.html</a><br />
This is my very popular Polio Virus Learn Node:<br />
<a href="http://www.learnodes.com/2007/09/03/polio-virion-released-into-the-gut/" rel="nofollow">http://www.learnodes.com/2007/09/03/polio-virion-released-into-the-gut/</a></p>
<p>Published in SES Magazine, March 2009<br />
“OER: The Sleeping SEO Giant”<br />
<a href="http://www.goldenswamp.com/articles/sesSleepingGiant.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.goldenswamp.com/articles/sesSleepingGiant.html</a></p>
<p>“Findability,” written April 2008<br />
<a href="http://www.goldenswamp.com/findableWhitePaper/findable_Education_Page1.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.goldenswamp.com/findableWhitePaper/findable_Education_Page1.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Kong Davis</title>
		<link>http://opencontent.org/blog/archives/905/comment-page-1#comment-43606</link>
		<dc:creator>Kong Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 21:35:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t lose faith! You are working in a world that values product in the terms of dollars.  I think open content should be labeled &quot;Save 99.9%&quot; or &quot;going out of business sale&quot;. Also you guys work in a society that mostly values education as a paper good.... &quot;Content? Content! We don&#039;t need depth of education! Just lemme spend some $$$$ and give me my stinking diploma! I&#039;m a graduate, give me a job!&quot; Times will change, when people will really thirst for education, but will be entirely unaffordable... Like bottled water from Tahiti.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t lose faith! You are working in a world that values product in the terms of dollars.  I think open content should be labeled &#8220;Save 99.9%&#8221; or &#8220;going out of business sale&#8221;. Also you guys work in a society that mostly values education as a paper good&#8230;. &#8220;Content? Content! We don&#8217;t need depth of education! Just lemme spend some $$$$ and give me my stinking diploma! I&#8217;m a graduate, give me a job!&#8221; Times will change, when people will really thirst for education, but will be entirely unaffordable&#8230; Like bottled water from Tahiti.</p>
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		<title>By: Wiley: &#8220;Church of OER Reuse&#8221; &#171; Open Education News</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wiley: &#8220;Church of OER Reuse&#8221; &#171; Open Education News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 03:45:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 11, 2009 &#183; No Comments  David Wiley has posted a response to criticisms of Sean Duncan&#8217;s dissertation on reuse within the Connexions [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 11, 2009 &middot; No Comments  David Wiley has posted a response to criticisms of Sean Duncan&#8217;s dissertation on reuse within the Connexions [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Stian Håklev</title>
		<link>http://opencontent.org/blog/archives/905/comment-page-1#comment-43598</link>
		<dc:creator>Stian Håklev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 21:51:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David,

just to specify if that wasn&#039;t clear from my post, I totally agree that extremely little reuse happens - in fact, I think according to my definition, it would be even lower than what Sean&#039;s numbers show (I question whether inclusion in a collection should always count as usage). I think this is a huge problem, and it&#039;s something I&#039;ve thought a lot about, and would love to work to change.

My questioning of the methodology etc was thus not questioning this basic fact.

Best
Stian</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David,</p>
<p>just to specify if that wasn&#8217;t clear from my post, I totally agree that extremely little reuse happens &#8211; in fact, I think according to my definition, it would be even lower than what Sean&#8217;s numbers show (I question whether inclusion in a collection should always count as usage). I think this is a huge problem, and it&#8217;s something I&#8217;ve thought a lot about, and would love to work to change.</p>
<p>My questioning of the methodology etc was thus not questioning this basic fact.</p>
<p>Best<br />
Stian</p>
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