Comments on: More on the Three Parts of Open Education http://opencontent.org/blog/archives/580 pragmatism over zeal Fri, 09 Jan 2009 01:02:47 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: johndbritton http://opencontent.org/blog/archives/580/comment-page-1#comment-41754 johndbritton Tue, 07 Oct 2008 08:48:31 +0000 http://opencontent.org/blog/?p=580#comment-41754 YES! This is exactly what I want! I came to OpenEd 2008 with an idea of an ad-hoc educational system (http://www.uopened.org) and was surprised to find that Stian Haklev and Philipp Schmidt had similar ideas (http://peer2peeruniversity.org). We've since joined forces with a few others around the globe. I'll keep you updated with progress. YES!

This is exactly what I want! I came to OpenEd 2008 with an idea of an ad-hoc educational system (http://www.uopened.org) and was surprised to find that Stian Haklev and Philipp Schmidt had similar ideas (http://peer2peeruniversity.org). We’ve since joined forces with a few others around the globe. I’ll keep you updated with progress.

]]> By: Tony Hirst http://opencontent.org/blog/archives/580/comment-page-1#comment-41715 Tony Hirst Wed, 01 Oct 2008 06:54:07 +0000 http://opencontent.org/blog/?p=580#comment-41715 "Maybe instead of hacking Wordpress, we should be hacking degrees. Anyone up for a completely informal, completely open, homemade certificate-style diploma? A handful of courses offered by all of us" I think we also need to go beyond this sort of semiformal academic accreditation. Formal qualifications are trusted, third party claims about your academic achievements. They act as a standardised proxy for direct personal knowledge about an individual's accomplishments. But the web is potentially creating new opportunities for demonstrating that other people trust you... and their trust in you is the commodity that's valuable when you are trying to get other people to trust you. The idea of an <a href="http://ouseful.wordpress.com/2008/09/26/qualifications-recognition-and-credible-personal-vouchsafes/" rel="nofollow">'open achievements' or 'open accomplishments' api</a>, was intended to provide a way in to thinking about this wider sense of third party recognition and e.g. 'assessment by the crowds' in the case of Amazon reviewer or ebay buyer/seller trust metrics. “Maybe instead of hacking Wordpress, we should be hacking degrees. Anyone up for a completely informal, completely open, homemade certificate-style diploma? A handful of courses offered by all of us”

I think we also need to go beyond this sort of semiformal academic accreditation. Formal qualifications are trusted, third party claims about your academic achievements. They act as a standardised proxy for direct personal knowledge about an individual’s accomplishments.

But the web is potentially creating new opportunities for demonstrating that other people trust you… and their trust in you is the commodity that’s valuable when you are trying to get other people to trust you.

The idea of an ‘open achievements’ or ‘open accomplishments’ api, was intended to provide a way in to thinking about this wider sense of third party recognition and e.g. ‘assessment by the crowds’ in the case of Amazon reviewer or ebay buyer/seller trust metrics.

]]> By: Stephen Downes http://opencontent.org/blog/archives/580/comment-page-1#comment-41713 Stephen Downes Tue, 30 Sep 2008 22:08:40 +0000 http://opencontent.org/blog/?p=580#comment-41713 A slightly different model has emerged in George's and my Connectivism course. We have the 20 for-credit students at the University of Manitoba, and the open access students. We've published the details of all the assignments. We had a student who signed on as an open access student but who would be submitting her assignments at her home institution, for assessment there. This distributes assessment, allowing for assessment to be basically open-sourced. A slightly different model has emerged in George’s and my Connectivism course. We have the 20 for-credit students at the University of Manitoba, and the open access students. We’ve published the details of all the assignments. We had a student who signed on as an open access student but who would be submitting her assignments at her home institution, for assessment there. This distributes assessment, allowing for assessment to be basically open-sourced.

]]> By: Rob Barton http://opencontent.org/blog/archives/580/comment-page-1#comment-41712 Rob Barton Tue, 30 Sep 2008 21:41:31 +0000 http://opencontent.org/blog/?p=580#comment-41712 lol, great article by Mr. Young. The following thoughts struck me as I was reading through it: Why does he say Mr. Wiley instead of Dr. Wiley, like all his students call him? The cert was from COSL, if I understood right what he said he was doing, and as director of COSL, who would his "boss" have been that he'd have needed to check with for permission? I was in the class, but can I get a cert too, so I can put it on my CV in addition to being on my transcript? How many other articles have been or will be written that mention Wiley a full 10 paragraphs before getting around to dropping Britney Spears' name? lol, great article by Mr. Young. The following thoughts struck me as I was reading through it:

Why does he say Mr. Wiley instead of Dr. Wiley, like all his students call him?

The cert was from COSL, if I understood right what he said he was doing, and as director of COSL, who would his “boss” have been that he’d have needed to check with for permission?

I was in the class, but can I get a cert too, so I can put it on my CV in addition to being on my transcript?

How many other articles have been or will be written that mention Wiley a full 10 paragraphs before getting around to dropping Britney Spears’ name?

]]> By: Antonio Fini http://opencontent.org/blog/archives/580/comment-page-1#comment-41711 Antonio Fini Tue, 30 Sep 2008 15:36:44 +0000 http://opencontent.org/blog/?p=580#comment-41711 Well. maybe my name is going to become the "paradigmatic case" of academic use of a hand-made (oh, my God..) certificate! Anyway, I'm proud of my hacked certificate and ready to gain an Edupunk diploma, too!! Well. maybe my name is going to become the “paradigmatic case” of academic use of a hand-made (oh, my God..) certificate!
Anyway, I’m proud of my hacked certificate and ready to gain an Edupunk diploma, too!!

]]> By: Alec Couros http://opencontent.org/blog/archives/580/comment-page-1#comment-41710 Alec Couros Tue, 30 Sep 2008 13:07:34 +0000 http://opencontent.org/blog/?p=580#comment-41710 Count me in ... I want to be a faculty member at Edupunk U! Count me in … I want to be a faculty member at Edupunk U!

]]> By: D'Arcy Norman http://opencontent.org/blog/archives/580/comment-page-1#comment-41708 D'Arcy Norman Tue, 30 Sep 2008 04:53:56 +0000 http://opencontent.org/blog/?p=580#comment-41708 oh, and I _really_ should have gone to Logan for OpenEducation2008. Sounds like I missed some whoppers of conversations. I'm planning on going to OE2009, even if I need to hold a bake sale to get there. oh, and I _really_ should have gone to Logan for OpenEducation2008. Sounds like I missed some whoppers of conversations. I’m planning on going to OE2009, even if I need to hold a bake sale to get there.

]]> By: D'Arcy Norman http://opencontent.org/blog/archives/580/comment-page-1#comment-41707 D'Arcy Norman Tue, 30 Sep 2008 04:52:45 +0000 http://opencontent.org/blog/?p=580#comment-41707 David, I've been thinking about the future of higher ed as well - it's kind of the recurring theme in each of the 3 videos I've done in the last few days - and I think Openness is going to have to play an important role in how the Institution operates. Lots of stuff to think about - implications on social control, cultural diversity, the nature of education, the role of individuals, collaboration between/among institutions to come to agreements wrt accreditation, etc... No shortage of fun stuff to talk about. One thing I'm thinking about - who is the degree/diploma REALLY for. Is it for me, as a student? Is it for my current or future employer, to use as a "he's good enough" badge? Or is it for someone/something else? Do we even need degrees/diplomas? What would a system of accreditation based on a portfolio system look like, where I had to make assertions as to my own capabilities, and then back them up with evidence? David, I’ve been thinking about the future of higher ed as well - it’s kind of the recurring theme in each of the 3 videos I’ve done in the last few days - and I think Openness is going to have to play an important role in how the Institution operates. Lots of stuff to think about - implications on social control, cultural diversity, the nature of education, the role of individuals, collaboration between/among institutions to come to agreements wrt accreditation, etc… No shortage of fun stuff to talk about.

One thing I’m thinking about - who is the degree/diploma REALLY for. Is it for me, as a student? Is it for my current or future employer, to use as a “he’s good enough” badge? Or is it for someone/something else? Do we even need degrees/diplomas? What would a system of accreditation based on a portfolio system look like, where I had to make assertions as to my own capabilities, and then back them up with evidence?

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