Comments on: This Class (c) 2008 http://opencontent.org/blog/archives/482 pragmatism over zeal Fri, 05 Dec 2008 10:44:19 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.5 By: Andy Lane http://opencontent.org/blog/archives/482#comment-40852 Andy Lane Wed, 16 Apr 2008 14:55:54 +0000 http://opencontent.org/blog/?p=482#comment-40852 Perhaps Mr Moulton (and Mr Sullivan) could kindly tell us whether what he knows and what he lectures on is at all based on the work of others, perhaps even his own teachers. In other words is he infringing someone else's IP? Knowledge and ideas are free, wisdom has to be earned and sometimes paid for. Keep up the good work David, we are with you all the way. Perhaps Mr Moulton (and Mr Sullivan) could kindly tell us whether what he knows and what he lectures on is at all based on the work of others, perhaps even his own teachers. In other words is he infringing someone else’s IP? Knowledge and ideas are free, wisdom has to be earned and sometimes paid for. Keep up the good work David, we are with you all the way.

]]> By: Christopher Sessums http://opencontent.org/blog/archives/482#comment-40813 Christopher Sessums Fri, 11 Apr 2008 20:59:27 +0000 http://opencontent.org/blog/?p=482#comment-40813 John Steinbeck once said: “It always seemed strange to me that the things we admire in men, kindness and generosity, openness, honesty, understanding and feeling are the concomitants of failure in our system. And those traits we detest, sharpness, greed, aquisitiveness, meanness, egotism and self interest are the traits of success. And while men admire the quality of the first, they love the produce of the second.” John Steinbeck once said:
“It always seemed strange to me that the things we admire in men, kindness and generosity, openness, honesty, understanding and feeling are the concomitants of failure in our system. And those traits we detest, sharpness, greed, aquisitiveness, meanness, egotism and self interest are the traits of success. And while men admire the quality of the first, they love the produce of the second.”

]]> By: Andy Van Schaack http://opencontent.org/blog/archives/482#comment-40784 Andy Van Schaack Tue, 08 Apr 2008 06:45:48 +0000 http://opencontent.org/blog/?p=482#comment-40784 Here's a nice write-up on the legal issues: http://mipr.umn.edu/archive/v4n2/townsend.pdf Here’s a nice write-up on the legal issues:

http://mipr.umn.edu/archive/v4n2/townsend.pdf

]]> By: Jared Stein http://opencontent.org/blog/archives/482#comment-40774 Jared Stein Mon, 07 Apr 2008 15:29:23 +0000 http://opencontent.org/blog/?p=482#comment-40774 To me the question lies in the definition of "directly derived": while I am all for protecting the real intellectual property of individuals who hope to profit from their own work, assuming that instructor lectures ARE protected intellectual property, there is _still_ a disturbance in the force emanating from this lawsuit. The bug question for me is, "Are student notes an infringement of that IP?" Unless they are directly copied, then student-determined usage of student-compiled notes strikes me as acceptable under "Fair Use" guidelines, similar to the referencing, citing, or summarizing any other academic work in the creation of a new academic work. That question aside, there is, as others have rightfully pointed out, the philosophical question of What Teaching Is For, and How Teaching Works Best. On that question I tend to agree with Dr. Wiley and similarly-minded folks who embrace openness in education. "Teaching is sharing", Dr. Wiley stated; that's a philosophy I hope to practice and share. To me the question lies in the definition of “directly derived”: while I am all for protecting the real intellectual property of individuals who hope to profit from their own work, assuming that instructor lectures ARE protected intellectual property, there is _still_ a disturbance in the force emanating from this lawsuit. The bug question for me is, “Are student notes an infringement of that IP?” Unless they are directly copied, then student-determined usage of student-compiled notes strikes me as acceptable under “Fair Use” guidelines, similar to the referencing, citing, or summarizing any other academic work in the creation of a new academic work.

That question aside, there is, as others have rightfully pointed out, the philosophical question of What Teaching Is For, and How Teaching Works Best. On that question I tend to agree with Dr. Wiley and similarly-minded folks who embrace openness in education. “Teaching is sharing”, Dr. Wiley stated; that’s a philosophy I hope to practice and share.

]]> By: Paul Bradshaw http://opencontent.org/blog/archives/482#comment-40770 Paul Bradshaw Mon, 07 Apr 2008 10:06:39 +0000 http://opencontent.org/blog/?p=482#comment-40770 The point is, our wages are paid by the taxpayers. We are the BBC. Our content has already been paid for. Of course, American education is far less supported by the state, and as fees rise in the UK you wonder how long before something similar happens here. In the meantime, you can have my lecture content for free at onlinejournalismblog.com among other places. The point is, our wages are paid by the taxpayers. We are the BBC. Our content has already been paid for.
Of course, American education is far less supported by the state, and as fees rise in the UK you wonder how long before something similar happens here.
In the meantime, you can have my lecture content for free at onlinejournalismblog.com among other places.

]]> By: James Sullivan http://opencontent.org/blog/archives/482#comment-40764 James Sullivan Sun, 06 Apr 2008 19:41:52 +0000 http://opencontent.org/blog/?p=482#comment-40764 Mr. Wiley, If you had read the Complaint I filed (at the link you declined to provide) on behalf of my client, or if you had simply telephoned me, I would like to think that your opinion would be different. Professor Moulton and Faulkner Press hold that students (who pay tuition) should have the lecture notes free of charge. Faulkner Press has also announced that any monies which may awarded in this lawsuit will be donated to a university organization. I'm not familiar with your views on IP in general, but if you hold that a professor's lecture is in the public domain, such that any third party may make as much money on that IP as the market will yield, then we disagree. James Sullivan Mr. Wiley,

If you had read the Complaint I filed (at the link you declined to provide) on behalf of my client, or if you had simply telephoned me, I would like to think that your opinion would be different.

Professor Moulton and Faulkner Press hold that students (who pay tuition) should have the lecture notes free of charge.

Faulkner Press has also announced that any monies which may awarded in this lawsuit will be donated to a university organization.

I’m not familiar with your views on IP in general, but if you hold that a professor’s lecture is in the public domain, such that any third party may make as much money on that IP as the market will yield, then we disagree.

James Sullivan

]]> By: Alan Levine http://opencontent.org/blog/archives/482#comment-40763 Alan Levine Sun, 06 Apr 2008 16:36:30 +0000 http://opencontent.org/blog/?p=482#comment-40763 I'm counting on Darwinian theory to take care of such evolutionary dead ends. All we will have soon are curious fossils. I’m counting on Darwinian theory to take care of such evolutionary dead ends. All we will have soon are curious fossils.

]]> By: Gavin Baker http://opencontent.org/blog/archives/482#comment-40759 Gavin Baker Sun, 06 Apr 2008 05:11:06 +0000 http://opencontent.org/blog/?p=482#comment-40759 David, I think you and I should take a world tour, to bash academics in the head with frying pans until they understand this point. Sadly, I have intimate experience with this professor and publisher: http://www.earlham.edu/~peters/fos/2008/04/textbook-publisher-sues-note-taking.html David, I think you and I should take a world tour, to bash academics in the head with frying pans until they understand this point.

Sadly, I have intimate experience with this professor and publisher: http://www.earlham.edu/~peters/fos/2008/04/textbook-publisher-sues-note-taking.html

]]> By: John Krutsch http://opencontent.org/blog/archives/482#comment-40758 John Krutsch Sun, 06 Apr 2008 02:51:18 +0000 http://opencontent.org/blog/?p=482#comment-40758 Looks like the accolites of the ivory tower strike again. Reminds me of when Marc Prensky said he believed that the notion of intellectual property was flawed and that it would not exist ten years from now. One can only hope. For me it is more like street cred. In the hacker communities you are know for what you give back to the community and credit is given where credit is due. I suppose this is why the creative commons model of sharing content resonates with me. Looks like the accolites of the ivory tower strike again. Reminds me of when Marc Prensky said he believed that the notion of intellectual property was flawed and that it would not exist ten years from now. One can only hope. For me it is more like street cred. In the hacker communities you are know for what you give back to the community and credit is given where credit is due. I suppose this is why the creative commons model of sharing content resonates with me.

]]> By: Rob Barton http://opencontent.org/blog/archives/482#comment-40756 Rob Barton Sat, 05 Apr 2008 18:52:03 +0000 http://opencontent.org/blog/?p=482#comment-40756 It gets a bit ironic when you look into his research, which is about how animals thrive or fail based on the community around them. It gets a bit ironic when you look into his research, which is about how animals thrive or fail based on the community around them.

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