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	<title>Comments on: There&#8217;s No Such Thing as Free Knowledge</title>
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	<description>pragmatism over zeal</description>
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		<title>By: Chenyong(Jessie) Zhu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chenyong(Jessie) Zhu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 08:16:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Websites, videos, podcasts, PDFs, and other files can be knowledge also to someone who had never got into before in my opinion.  To someone who are familiar with those format, they are just old stuff being gathered and put together. 

A book is one thing you have in hand and it will never by changed except making notes on it by yourself.  Wikipedia is just like Teemu&#039;s word &quot;river&quot;, it is always running until there is no more headsteam or rain(resources). New knowledge is like the rain, it will never stop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Websites, videos, podcasts, PDFs, and other files can be knowledge also to someone who had never got into before in my opinion.  To someone who are familiar with those format, they are just old stuff being gathered and put together. </p>
<p>A book is one thing you have in hand and it will never by changed except making notes on it by yourself.  Wikipedia is just like Teemu&#8217;s word &#8220;river&#8221;, it is always running until there is no more headsteam or rain(resources). New knowledge is like the rain, it will never stop.</p>
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		<title>By: Nic Johnson</title>
		<link>http://opencontent.org/blog/archives/372/comment-page-1#comment-35851</link>
		<dc:creator>Nic Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 03:43:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s all really a big game of semantics but...
I agree with what you&#039;re saying, David. Knowledge is actionable information. As a sentient being I am able to receive a stream of ideas (regardless of the update rate of the source, be it a dusty textbook or twitter) and make a decision based on my digest of those ideas.

Content is a representation of ideas that can be dispersed, gathered, or even &quot;mashed up&quot;. Only lifeforms that can act for themselves can possess knowledge.

(That&#039;s how I see the terms, anyway. I don&#039;t manage any marketing budgets or anything so I can really say it as I see it.) :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s all really a big game of semantics but&#8230;<br />
I agree with what you&#8217;re saying, David. Knowledge is actionable information. As a sentient being I am able to receive a stream of ideas (regardless of the update rate of the source, be it a dusty textbook or twitter) and make a decision based on my digest of those ideas.</p>
<p>Content is a representation of ideas that can be dispersed, gathered, or even &#8220;mashed up&#8221;. Only lifeforms that can act for themselves can possess knowledge.</p>
<p>(That&#8217;s how I see the terms, anyway. I don&#8217;t manage any marketing budgets or anything so I can really say it as I see it.) <img src='http://opencontent.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Teemu</title>
		<link>http://opencontent.org/blog/archives/372/comment-page-1#comment-35848</link>
		<dc:creator>Teemu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 15:51:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;the difference in the speed and scalability with which updates occur never allows the resource to cross an imaginary qualitative boundary which transforms static content into a knower.&quot;

I think the speed and scalability makes a huge difference. In my world a pond, a lake, a sea and a river are all different even if they all are simply &quot;water&quot;. They all hold very different kind of affordances. Wikipedia is a river. A book is much more a pond or a lake. If a resource is under continuous reconsideration – in a fast and almost global scale – it starts to embed the &quot;knowers&quot; (the community) in it and becomes (almost) knowledge itself. This is what happens in a scientific publishing too – in a different scale. Rivers are good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the difference in the speed and scalability with which updates occur never allows the resource to cross an imaginary qualitative boundary which transforms static content into a knower.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think the speed and scalability makes a huge difference. In my world a pond, a lake, a sea and a river are all different even if they all are simply &#8220;water&#8221;. They all hold very different kind of affordances. Wikipedia is a river. A book is much more a pond or a lake. If a resource is under continuous reconsideration – in a fast and almost global scale – it starts to embed the &#8220;knowers&#8221; (the community) in it and becomes (almost) knowledge itself. This is what happens in a scientific publishing too – in a different scale. Rivers are good.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Holton</title>
		<link>http://opencontent.org/blog/archives/372/comment-page-1#comment-35844</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Holton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 01:17:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Wikipedia is content, but he (Wales) probably wanted to distinguish content in general (like mp3s, tv shows, books) from educational/informative/useful content (news casts, encyclopedia content, class lectures and notes).

And yes you do get information from an episode of CSI, for example (getting shot is yucky), and you do get useful information from an episode of American Idol (I probably could never be a singer).

But we don&#039;t normally tune into CSI or American Idol or listen to a song in order to learn something or gain more skills &amp; knowledge.   WeWe do have that intention however usually when we go to Wikipedia or connect to some &quot;personal learning environment&quot; or search on google.

I guess I like &quot;open learning&quot; or something that emphasizes the process and the intentions of the person.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Wikipedia is content, but he (Wales) probably wanted to distinguish content in general (like mp3s, tv shows, books) from educational/informative/useful content (news casts, encyclopedia content, class lectures and notes).</p>
<p>And yes you do get information from an episode of CSI, for example (getting shot is yucky), and you do get useful information from an episode of American Idol (I probably could never be a singer).</p>
<p>But we don&#8217;t normally tune into CSI or American Idol or listen to a song in order to learn something or gain more skills &amp; knowledge.   WeWe do have that intention however usually when we go to Wikipedia or connect to some &#8220;personal learning environment&#8221; or search on google.</p>
<p>I guess I like &#8220;open learning&#8221; or something that emphasizes the process and the intentions of the person.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Downes</title>
		<link>http://opencontent.org/blog/archives/372/comment-page-1#comment-35843</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Downes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 23:22:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny.

But yes, you&#039;re right. This, in particular, is dead on: &quot;There is no such thing as disembodied knowledge. To know requires a knower, and what that knower knows is knowledge.&quot;

This creates problems for George Siemens. Not insurmountable problems, if we are careful about what constitutes a &#039;knower&#039;. But problem enough. Because a brick cannot &#039;embody knowledge&#039; or &#039;have knowledge&#039;. Nor can a book. Nor can a website.

Much, much more interesting is the question of &#039;what is a knower?&#039;. Only humans? No - I would want to say my cat knows things - it certainly knows when it&#039;s food time; those mad scrambles aren&#039;t just guesses.

To know - I argue - is to be organized in a certain way. It implies a certain level of complexity, and it requires the sort of set of entities that *can* be organized in that way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny.</p>
<p>But yes, you&#8217;re right. This, in particular, is dead on: &#8220;There is no such thing as disembodied knowledge. To know requires a knower, and what that knower knows is knowledge.&#8221;</p>
<p>This creates problems for George Siemens. Not insurmountable problems, if we are careful about what constitutes a &#8216;knower&#8217;. But problem enough. Because a brick cannot &#8216;embody knowledge&#8217; or &#8216;have knowledge&#8217;. Nor can a book. Nor can a website.</p>
<p>Much, much more interesting is the question of &#8216;what is a knower?&#8217;. Only humans? No &#8211; I would want to say my cat knows things &#8211; it certainly knows when it&#8217;s food time; those mad scrambles aren&#8217;t just guesses.</p>
<p>To know &#8211; I argue &#8211; is to be organized in a certain way. It implies a certain level of complexity, and it requires the sort of set of entities that *can* be organized in that way.</p>
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