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	<description>pragmatism over zeal</description>
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		<title>By: Gardner Writes &#187; Blog Archive &#187; No more pendulums</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gardner Writes &#187; Blog Archive &#187; No more pendulums</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 10:19:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Worse yet: it&#8217;s one short step from &#8220;student-centered&#8221; to &#8220;customer-driven.&#8221; David Wiley&#8217;s post, linked to by Martha above, is relevant here as well. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Worse yet: it&#8217;s one short step from &#8220;student-centered&#8221; to &#8220;customer-driven.&#8221; David Wiley&#8217;s post, linked to by Martha above, is relevant here as well. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Philipp Schmidt</title>
		<link>http://opencontent.org/blog/archives/332/comment-page-1#comment-34880</link>
		<dc:creator>Philipp Schmidt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 14:17:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for yet another stimulating post David. [And again, I am joining the discussion too late]

I believe that a small redefinition of producer and consumer solves a lot of the problems we are having with this analogy [I don&#039;t think collapsing it is useful].  The party with the strongest incentives to produce learning materials seems to me the student, rather than the teacher. In this context, focusing on producer(=student)-driven OERs might be a more sustainable and effective strategy than the not-producer-focused-but-actually-wrong-producer-focused mental acrobatics the OER community is currently struggling with. Just as the author of a textbook probably learns more in the process of writing it (and the process leading up to being able to write it) than the person reading it, let&#039;s look at OER from the student (as producer) perspective. In Budapest, students have built a vast repository of lecture notes (including audio recordings) and readings - without funding, without target group analysis, without anyone telling them to do so. Why? Because they did not want to go to class, so the few that went to class recorded it - and the others could stay in bed. Now, trying to sleep-in is the kind of itch that will lead to production of OER (that, and Hewlett funding *grin*). 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for yet another stimulating post David. [And again, I am joining the discussion too late]</p>
<p>I believe that a small redefinition of producer and consumer solves a lot of the problems we are having with this analogy [I don't think collapsing it is useful].  The party with the strongest incentives to produce learning materials seems to me the student, rather than the teacher. In this context, focusing on producer(=student)-driven OERs might be a more sustainable and effective strategy than the not-producer-focused-but-actually-wrong-producer-focused mental acrobatics the OER community is currently struggling with. Just as the author of a textbook probably learns more in the process of writing it (and the process leading up to being able to write it) than the person reading it, let&#8217;s look at OER from the student (as producer) perspective. In Budapest, students have built a vast repository of lecture notes (including audio recordings) and readings &#8211; without funding, without target group analysis, without anyone telling them to do so. Why? Because they did not want to go to class, so the few that went to class recorded it &#8211; and the others could stay in bed. Now, trying to sleep-in is the kind of itch that will lead to production of OER (that, and Hewlett funding *grin*). </p>
<p>/P</p>
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		<title>By: lilly nguyen</title>
		<link>http://opencontent.org/blog/archives/332/comment-page-1#comment-34796</link>
		<dc:creator>lilly nguyen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 02:25:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i really appreciate how you&#039;ve laid out some of the challenges to OER with regards to the consumer/producer dilemma. but one thing i&#039;ve been thinking about is the salience of this distinction altogether. it&#039;s beginning to become more apparent to me that perhaps what we see here is a collapse and meeting of the consumer/producer. in open source and user-generated content environments, it seems as if people produce for their own consumption. axel bruns has coined the termed &quot;produsage&quot; to describe this collapse, and after having read your post, it seems that what&#039;re you&#039;re &quot;producer driven&quot; really isn&#039;t the traditional view of producer, but more &quot;consumers-as-producers-driven&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i really appreciate how you&#8217;ve laid out some of the challenges to OER with regards to the consumer/producer dilemma. but one thing i&#8217;ve been thinking about is the salience of this distinction altogether. it&#8217;s beginning to become more apparent to me that perhaps what we see here is a collapse and meeting of the consumer/producer. in open source and user-generated content environments, it seems as if people produce for their own consumption. axel bruns has coined the termed &#8220;produsage&#8221; to describe this collapse, and after having read your post, it seems that what&#8217;re you&#8217;re &#8220;producer driven&#8221; really isn&#8217;t the traditional view of producer, but more &#8220;consumers-as-producers-driven&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Gardner</title>
		<link>http://opencontent.org/blog/archives/332/comment-page-1#comment-34658</link>
		<dc:creator>Gardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 11:13:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you&#039;re right. I don&#039;t have anything more extensive to offer just now, beyond the comment that Ivan Illich&#039;s vision of &quot;learning webs&quot; (in 1970) anticipates a world in which the contextualized materials with flavor and fingerprints would easily be matched with specific users with specific needs. The &quot;matches&quot; can go both ways, of course.

Very stirring post--I got here via The Fish Wrapper (q.v.).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you&#8217;re right. I don&#8217;t have anything more extensive to offer just now, beyond the comment that Ivan Illich&#8217;s vision of &#8220;learning webs&#8221; (in 1970) anticipates a world in which the contextualized materials with flavor and fingerprints would easily be matched with specific users with specific needs. The &#8220;matches&#8221; can go both ways, of course.</p>
<p>Very stirring post&#8211;I got here via The Fish Wrapper (q.v.).</p>
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		<title>By: OLDaily[ä¸­æ–‡ç‰ˆ] &#187; Blog Archive &#187; 2007å¹´5æœˆ22æ—¥</title>
		<link>http://opencontent.org/blog/archives/332/comment-page-1#comment-34652</link>
		<dc:creator>OLDaily[ä¸­æ–‡ç‰ˆ] &#187; Blog Archive &#187; 2007å¹´5æœˆ22æ—¥</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 20:52:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] David Wiley, iterating toward openness May 22, 2007 [ åŽŸæ–‡é“¾æŽ¥] [æ ‡ç­¾: Open Source, Open Educational Resources] [ [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] David Wiley, iterating toward openness May 22, 2007 [ åŽŸæ–‡é“¾æŽ¥] [æ ‡ç­¾: Open Source, Open Educational Resources] [ [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Marion Jensen</title>
		<link>http://opencontent.org/blog/archives/332/comment-page-1#comment-34650</link>
		<dc:creator>Marion Jensen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 18:24:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...the ability to move resources from one site to another becomes easy for individual users.&quot;

I think this is a key point.  When Raymond says, &quot;Every good work of software starts by scratching a developerâ€™s personal itch.&quot; he is talking about people who know how to scratch in the first place.  When we move that to an instructional setting, a person might know how to teach a concept, but they may not know how to capture that instructional event and put it on the web for other people to use.  They need the assistance of a web developer to help them &#039;scratch that itch&#039;, in the sense of sharing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;the ability to move resources from one site to another becomes easy for individual users.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think this is a key point.  When Raymond says, &#8220;Every good work of software starts by scratching a developerâ€™s personal itch.&#8221; he is talking about people who know how to scratch in the first place.  When we move that to an instructional setting, a person might know how to teach a concept, but they may not know how to capture that instructional event and put it on the web for other people to use.  They need the assistance of a web developer to help them &#8217;scratch that itch&#8217;, in the sense of sharing.</p>
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		<title>By: Faculty Academy 2007 &#187; Blog Archive &#187; More on Risk</title>
		<link>http://opencontent.org/blog/archives/332/comment-page-1#comment-34649</link>
		<dc:creator>Faculty Academy 2007 &#187; Blog Archive &#187; More on Risk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 16:55:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Wiley&#8217;s got a fascinating post up at Iterating towards Openness about the generation of open educational resources (OER) and whether we should take a consumer- or producer-or... The dilemma is whether or not resources created to meet a producer&#8217;s needs are necessarily [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Wiley&rsquo;s got a fascinating post up at Iterating towards Openness about the generation of open educational resources (OER) and whether we should take a consumer- or producer-or&#8230; The dilemma is whether or not resources created to meet a producer&rsquo;s needs are necessarily [...]</p>
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		<title>By: More on Risk at The Fish Wrapper</title>
		<link>http://opencontent.org/blog/archives/332/comment-page-1#comment-34648</link>
		<dc:creator>More on Risk at The Fish Wrapper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 15:51:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] this Post:fa07David Wiley&#8217;s got a fascinating post up at Iterating towards Openness about the generation of open educational resources (OER) and whether we should take a consumer- or producer-or... The dilemma is whether or not resources created to meet a producer&#8217;s needs are necessarily [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] this Post:fa07David Wiley&#8217;s got a fascinating post up at Iterating towards Openness about the generation of open educational resources (OER) and whether we should take a consumer- or producer-or&#8230; The dilemma is whether or not resources created to meet a producer&#8217;s needs are necessarily [...]</p>
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		<title>By: OpenFiction [ Blog ] &#187; OER and open source models</title>
		<link>http://opencontent.org/blog/archives/332/comment-page-1#comment-34646</link>
		<dc:creator>OpenFiction [ Blog ] &#187; OER and open source models</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 13:21:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] found it quite interesting to read David&#8217;s latest back-to-back with Noam Cohen&#8217;s. (Noam recently wrote a great article about the OCW movement [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] found it quite interesting to read David&#8217;s latest back-to-back with Noam Cohen&#8217;s. (Noam recently wrote a great article about the OCW movement [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Fitzgerald</title>
		<link>http://opencontent.org/blog/archives/332/comment-page-1#comment-34643</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Fitzgerald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2007 21:39:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The decontextualization question, and what happens as context shifts, is a great piece of this conversation. OER, however, will become more useful when the resources are truly portable, and when the ability to move resources from one site to another becomes easy for individual users. 

In this way, the context of a learning object becomes effectively shifted, and it can take on new meaning/new life in its new context. In your 4 point breakdown of OSS, point 3 requires some specific examination here: &quot;other specific people with the same or a very similar specific need find the solution and adopt or adapt it to solve their own specific problems&quot; -- they are able to adapt the original solution because they have the entire body of source code available to them to tinker with, and they can get it easily.

There is no easy equivalent -- yet -- with open content. Most of the open content solutions do not allow for easy export of large quantities of content. While some types of content can be effectively moved or shared between sites via rss or other formats, there is nothing that is immediately accessible and reusable (and I mean a course full of material click-here-and-download accessible, like a tarball for an open source project). Ultimately, OER is less about content and more about movement. If content is freely accessible, freely editable, and yet not easily portable to a new site and context, it will remain only partially open.

Cheers,

Bill</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The decontextualization question, and what happens as context shifts, is a great piece of this conversation. OER, however, will become more useful when the resources are truly portable, and when the ability to move resources from one site to another becomes easy for individual users. </p>
<p>In this way, the context of a learning object becomes effectively shifted, and it can take on new meaning/new life in its new context. In your 4 point breakdown of OSS, point 3 requires some specific examination here: &#8220;other specific people with the same or a very similar specific need find the solution and adopt or adapt it to solve their own specific problems&#8221; &#8212; they are able to adapt the original solution because they have the entire body of source code available to them to tinker with, and they can get it easily.</p>
<p>There is no easy equivalent &#8212; yet &#8212; with open content. Most of the open content solutions do not allow for easy export of large quantities of content. While some types of content can be effectively moved or shared between sites via rss or other formats, there is nothing that is immediately accessible and reusable (and I mean a course full of material click-here-and-download accessible, like a tarball for an open source project). Ultimately, OER is less about content and more about movement. If content is freely accessible, freely editable, and yet not easily portable to a new site and context, it will remain only partially open.</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Bill</p>
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