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	<description>pragmatism over zeal</description>
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		<title>By: State of the Movement&#8230; &#171; Ventures</title>
		<link>http://opencontent.org/blog/archives/313/comment-page-1#comment-42859</link>
		<dc:creator>State of the Movement&#8230; &#171; Ventures</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 20:17:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#8220;death to copyright&#8211;free education for all!&#8221; and on to the hunkered-down, brutal-facts strategizing, consolidating, and compromising that we all hope will move these rabble-rousing edupunks [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &#8220;death to copyright&#8211;free education for all!&#8221; and on to the hunkered-down, brutal-facts strategizing, consolidating, and compromising that we all hope will move these rabble-rousing edupunks [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Faculty Academy 2007 &#187; Blog Archive &#187; David Wiley&#8217;s Take on the Future</title>
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		<dc:creator>Faculty Academy 2007 &#187; Blog Archive &#187; David Wiley&#8217;s Take on the Future</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 16:22:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Wiley has a fascinating read up at iterating toward openness about &#8220;The OpenCourseWars.&#8221; The post is a draft of a chapter he is writing for a book on open education, and it [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Wiley has a fascinating read up at iterating toward openness about &ldquo;The OpenCourseWars.&rdquo; The post is a draft of a chapter he is writing for a book on open education, and it [...]</p>
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		<title>By: å¼€æ”¾è¯¾ç¨‹ä¹‹æˆ˜ : æ•™è‚²ä¸­æ–‡ç¿»è¯‘</title>
		<link>http://opencontent.org/blog/archives/313/comment-page-1#comment-34608</link>
		<dc:creator>å¼€æ”¾è¯¾ç¨‹ä¹‹æˆ˜ : æ•™è‚²ä¸­æ–‡ç¿»è¯‘</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 02:56:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] åŽŸæ–‡é“¾æŽ¥ï¼š2005-2010:The OpenCourseWars [...]</description>
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		<title>By: æ•™è‚²ä¸­æ–‡ç¿»è¯‘ &#187; 2005ï¼?ï¼?2010ï¼šå¼€æ”¾è¯¾ç¨‹ä¹‹æˆ˜</title>
		<link>http://opencontent.org/blog/archives/313/comment-page-1#comment-34599</link>
		<dc:creator>æ•™è‚²ä¸­æ–‡ç¿»è¯‘ &#187; 2005ï¼?ï¼?2010ï¼šå¼€æ”¾è¯¾ç¨‹ä¹‹æˆ˜</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 May 2007 04:28:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] åŽŸæ–‡é“¾æŽ¥ï¼šThe OpenCourseWars [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Leigh Blackall</title>
		<link>http://opencontent.org/blog/archives/313/comment-page-1#comment-34566</link>
		<dc:creator>Leigh Blackall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 10:24:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I am experiencing the LLJ zealots for the first time. I am having trouble working with the SA clause. I&#039;ve tried to outline the reasons - mainly interoperability with older content, 3rd parties, and culturally sensative materials. Also the belief that SA is not growing free culture as much as free culture is in itself. See comparison between CC BY and BY SA on Flickr for example. If you&#039;re interested to read and hear more of this perhaps repeatative debate:
&lt;a href=&quot;http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator/t/bde99daf87bab61b&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Wikieducator list thread 1&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator/t/92186ff36e008142&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Thread 2&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://groups.google.com/group/teachAndLearnOnline/browse_thread/thread/69a51c1190cc89ae&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;TALO Discussion thread&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Talk:Wiki_Campus_Radio#Discussion_with_Leigh_Blackall&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Wikiversity audio discussion&quot;&lt;/a&gt;

While I struggle to come to terms with the seeming impass present in these recordings, it seems to me that it represents an inverted issue to the one you outline... one that might prevent the growth of free culture, other than the growth of a dominant and almost imperial free culture.

Hope I&#039;m making a little sense, enough to raise your interest to help me out with coming to terms with my issue with BY SA. Its late, best I go to bed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I am experiencing the LLJ zealots for the first time. I am having trouble working with the SA clause. I&#8217;ve tried to outline the reasons &#8211; mainly interoperability with older content, 3rd parties, and culturally sensative materials. Also the belief that SA is not growing free culture as much as free culture is in itself. See comparison between CC BY and BY SA on Flickr for example. If you&#8217;re interested to read and hear more of this perhaps repeatative debate:<br />
<a href="http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator/t/bde99daf87bab61b" rel="nofollow">Wikieducator list thread 1</a><br />
<a href="http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator/t/92186ff36e008142" rel="nofollow">Thread 2</a><br />
<a href="http://groups.google.com/group/teachAndLearnOnline/browse_thread/thread/69a51c1190cc89ae" rel="nofollow">TALO Discussion thread</a><br />
<a href="http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Talk:Wiki_Campus_Radio#Discussion_with_Leigh_Blackall" rel="nofollow">Wikiversity audio discussion&#8221;</a></p>
<p>While I struggle to come to terms with the seeming impass present in these recordings, it seems to me that it represents an inverted issue to the one you outline&#8230; one that might prevent the growth of free culture, other than the growth of a dominant and almost imperial free culture.</p>
<p>Hope I&#8217;m making a little sense, enough to raise your interest to help me out with coming to terms with my issue with BY SA. Its late, best I go to bed.</p>
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		<title>By: Psyc+Tech</title>
		<link>http://opencontent.org/blog/archives/313/comment-page-1#comment-34191</link>
		<dc:creator>Psyc+Tech</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2007 15:41:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Open educational content - possible future prediction by David Wiley...&lt;/strong&gt;

No TagsDavid has published an intriguing draft of a possible book chapter, written in the form of a historical review at a future date, looking at the 2005 - 2010 OpenCourseWars. As one commenter already pointed out, this form of fictive, entertaining ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Open educational content &#8211; possible future prediction by David Wiley&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>No TagsDavid has published an intriguing draft of a possible book chapter, written in the form of a historical review at a future date, looking at the 2005 &#8211; 2010 OpenCourseWars. As one commenter already pointed out, this form of fictive, entertaining &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: OLDaily[ä¸­æ–‡ç‰ˆ] &#187; Blog Archive &#187; 2007å¹´3æœˆ13æ—¥</title>
		<link>http://opencontent.org/blog/archives/313/comment-page-1#comment-34062</link>
		<dc:creator>OLDaily[ä¸­æ–‡ç‰ˆ] &#187; Blog Archive &#187; 2007å¹´3æœˆ13æ—¥</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2007 13:11:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] ï¼ˆè¯‘æ³¨ï¼šâ€œ2005ï¼?2010ï¼šå¼€æº?ä¹‹æˆ˜â€?æ˜¯David [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] ï¼ˆè¯‘æ³¨ï¼šâ€œ2005ï¼?2010ï¼šå¼€æº?ä¹‹æˆ˜â€?æ˜¯David [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Downes</title>
		<link>http://opencontent.org/blog/archives/313/comment-page-1#comment-34053</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Downes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2007 19:29:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The argument depends on two things:

1. The court voiding the NC clause, despite the precedent it would create, specifically, that the content creator cannot stipulate the terms of use of the content,

and

2. That, after having done so, the court would not continue down that same path by voiding the Share Alike clause.

In my alternative version of this story, the NC license is saved by the brilliant oratory of a young rebellious lawyer (call him Larry Jr.) with his now now famous catchphrase, &quot;Vagueness doesn&#039;t resolve.&quot; If a license is vague, he argued, then the court cannot, for no good reason, make it more precise. The publishers did not demonstrate that they had *right* to the NC texts, hence, &quot;the vagueness doesn&#039;t resolve.&quot;

In my other alternative version (call it Alt-Ver-B)  after the NC clause is abolished, the court *does* rule that the SA clause can be voided. This was the result of a really slimy young lawyer (call him the anti-Larry Jr.) who argued that, since the court already recognized that the publishers had an inherent interest in the content, they had an inherent interest in voiding any clause that acted against that interest. Since the SA clause was vague (they were, after all, selling it - which is not even remotely &#039;sharing alike&#039;), the by-now-famous dictum, &quot;vagueness resolves&quot; came into play, granting the right of the publishers to assert ownership over the materials.

As one industry wag commented at the invitation-only victory party after the ruling, &quot;If they had simply abolished the NC clause in the first place, we would have done the same thing and it would have saved us two expensive court cases.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The argument depends on two things:</p>
<p>1. The court voiding the NC clause, despite the precedent it would create, specifically, that the content creator cannot stipulate the terms of use of the content,</p>
<p>and</p>
<p>2. That, after having done so, the court would not continue down that same path by voiding the Share Alike clause.</p>
<p>In my alternative version of this story, the NC license is saved by the brilliant oratory of a young rebellious lawyer (call him Larry Jr.) with his now now famous catchphrase, &#8220;Vagueness doesn&#8217;t resolve.&#8221; If a license is vague, he argued, then the court cannot, for no good reason, make it more precise. The publishers did not demonstrate that they had *right* to the NC texts, hence, &#8220;the vagueness doesn&#8217;t resolve.&#8221;</p>
<p>In my other alternative version (call it Alt-Ver-B)  after the NC clause is abolished, the court *does* rule that the SA clause can be voided. This was the result of a really slimy young lawyer (call him the anti-Larry Jr.) who argued that, since the court already recognized that the publishers had an inherent interest in the content, they had an inherent interest in voiding any clause that acted against that interest. Since the SA clause was vague (they were, after all, selling it &#8211; which is not even remotely &#8217;sharing alike&#8217;), the by-now-famous dictum, &#8220;vagueness resolves&#8221; came into play, granting the right of the publishers to assert ownership over the materials.</p>
<p>As one industry wag commented at the invitation-only victory party after the ruling, &#8220;If they had simply abolished the NC clause in the first place, we would have done the same thing and it would have saved us two expensive court cases.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: David Wiley&#8217;s Take on the Future at The Fish Wrapper</title>
		<link>http://opencontent.org/blog/archives/313/comment-page-1#comment-34048</link>
		<dc:creator>David Wiley&#8217;s Take on the Future at The Fish Wrapper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2007 14:04:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]  Tags for this Post:David Wiley has a fascinating read up at iterating toward openness about &#8220;The OpenCourseWars.&#8221; The post is a draft of a chapter he is writing for a book on open education, and it [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Scott Leslie</title>
		<link>http://opencontent.org/blog/archives/313/comment-page-1#comment-34041</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Leslie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2007 17:15:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David, this is fantastic; I think it would be easy to quibble with the timelines and with certain events you depict, but that would entirely miss out how writing this piece in this fashion probably does more to communicate the issues around the NC license (and open content in general) than dozens of academic papers. I will for sure be passing the URL around. Very engaging, readable. I&#039;d be interested to see more about the roles of net neutrality and institutional restrictions on access to wikipedia and its like will get used as (temporary) roadblocks in this story, as I think those are another way people will try to restrict access and exert control, but all in all a great, thought provoking read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, this is fantastic; I think it would be easy to quibble with the timelines and with certain events you depict, but that would entirely miss out how writing this piece in this fashion probably does more to communicate the issues around the NC license (and open content in general) than dozens of academic papers. I will for sure be passing the URL around. Very engaging, readable. I&#8217;d be interested to see more about the roles of net neutrality and institutional restrictions on access to wikipedia and its like will get used as (temporary) roadblocks in this story, as I think those are another way people will try to restrict access and exert control, but all in all a great, thought provoking read.</p>
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