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	<title>Comments on: IT Forum Debate on Open Education and Publishing</title>
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	<description>pragmatism over zeal</description>
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		<title>By: Kyle Summers</title>
		<link>http://opencontent.org/blog/archives/176/comment-page-1#comment-637</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyle Summers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jul 2005 04:30:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think your comment about the revolution is quite interesting it isn&#039;t quite a revolution but I suffered quite a bit on trip out of town recently which proves the cruelity of the world and how disrespectful the world can be to life.  All life is precise and should  be respected.  By disrespecting individuals you in essence disrespect yourself.  I guess thats why we are all connected.  

I like the blog btw.  I don&#039;t approve of your fact finding.  You don&#039;t go seeking the best information by asking a ass just because he works for the all forgiving master of everything.

You will delete this post of course because I know nothing.  However I do know one thing, the more you ask to know things you were never suppose to know the more pain you cause yourself.  Those respectfull enough not to ask the wrong sources the right questions will be answered in time and first hand.  Its not your choice though.  When you take it upon yourself to learn something and go to lengths unatural to gain information you lose every time what you will get is answers from your enemy.  Now I myself only get answers to my questions without asking them , their handed to me in love from my experiences, and this is the important part &quot; Naturally &quot;.

However its not me on trial here. - Kyle</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think your comment about the revolution is quite interesting it isn&#8217;t quite a revolution but I suffered quite a bit on trip out of town recently which proves the cruelity of the world and how disrespectful the world can be to life.  All life is precise and should  be respected.  By disrespecting individuals you in essence disrespect yourself.  I guess thats why we are all connected.  </p>
<p>I like the blog btw.  I don&#8217;t approve of your fact finding.  You don&#8217;t go seeking the best information by asking a ass just because he works for the all forgiving master of everything.</p>
<p>You will delete this post of course because I know nothing.  However I do know one thing, the more you ask to know things you were never suppose to know the more pain you cause yourself.  Those respectfull enough not to ask the wrong sources the right questions will be answered in time and first hand.  Its not your choice though.  When you take it upon yourself to learn something and go to lengths unatural to gain information you lose every time what you will get is answers from your enemy.  Now I myself only get answers to my questions without asking them , their handed to me in love from my experiences, and this is the important part &#8221; Naturally &#8220;.</p>
<p>However its not me on trial here. &#8211; Kyle</p>
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		<title>By: Shawn Foley</title>
		<link>http://opencontent.org/blog/archives/176/comment-page-1#comment-635</link>
		<dc:creator>Shawn Foley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jul 2005 06:47:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David, it&#039;s too bad you weren&#039;t ever in Metallica or Dr. Dre&#039;s posse... the original Napster might of had a fighting chance. 

&gt;&gt;People pay universities for (1) interactions and relationships with professors, (2) the chance to build social networks with other students, and (3) accredited degrees.&gt;&gt;

Sweet.... I think?

Could there be more to this technology stuff? If I come to a place, can I only talk to those people? If I work at a place, can I only work within the physical space available? Could social interaction technologies be more than what the CB was for the 80s? Could CB-ing with David Merrill be as cool as blogging with David Wiley? Did we miss the educational value of the CB radio? -- I think my teachers did

&gt;&gt;Thus MIT, Carnegie Mellon, Rice, Tufts, Michigan, Utah State, and eventually all other schools will give away their
content – because “peddling content” is not where the primary value in
a formal education is. The value is in people and degrees.&gt;&gt;

Does this leave the hopeful distance learner all alone with some really kicking content, but never a &quot;formal&quot; education? Is it, &quot;What&#039;s your academic pedagree all over?&quot; Perhaps, I hope not though. It be nice to move forward, while we&#039;re moving forward.

&gt;&gt;to be available without cost at all times and places to everyone.&gt;&gt;

Yeah, but &quot;what&quot; needs to be available without a cost? I think after a learner reaches a certain point in their learning, they can afford to pay for an excellent piece of research that took mucho time, probably some dedication, and (by default) is written so only 100 people in the world have the background to understand. Ever read Skinner&#039;s &quot;Are Learning Theories Necessary&quot; ... I keep returning to it every few years to see if I really &quot;get it&quot; yet :-)

&gt;&gt;“This artifact has been reviewed by objective
experts in the field and passes muster.” Become the little logo placed
on articles that let’s people know, “Oh. This should actually be a
decent piece of writing.” Those are the types of services we need. You
could provide them. We will pay for them. The Public Library of
Science is doing this in other fields (http://www.plos.org/faq.html).
Lead education in the same direction!&gt;&gt;

Now I THINK we&#039;re talking!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, it&#8217;s too bad you weren&#8217;t ever in Metallica or Dr. Dre&#8217;s posse&#8230; the original Napster might of had a fighting chance. </p>
<p>&gt;&gt;People pay universities for (1) interactions and relationships with professors, (2) the chance to build social networks with other students, and (3) accredited degrees.&gt;&gt;</p>
<p>Sweet&#8230;. I think?</p>
<p>Could there be more to this technology stuff? If I come to a place, can I only talk to those people? If I work at a place, can I only work within the physical space available? Could social interaction technologies be more than what the CB was for the 80s? Could CB-ing with David Merrill be as cool as blogging with David Wiley? Did we miss the educational value of the CB radio? &#8212; I think my teachers did</p>
<p>&gt;&gt;Thus MIT, Carnegie Mellon, Rice, Tufts, Michigan, Utah State, and eventually all other schools will give away their<br />
content – because “peddling content” is not where the primary value in<br />
a formal education is. The value is in people and degrees.&gt;&gt;</p>
<p>Does this leave the hopeful distance learner all alone with some really kicking content, but never a &#8220;formal&#8221; education? Is it, &#8220;What&#8217;s your academic pedagree all over?&#8221; Perhaps, I hope not though. It be nice to move forward, while we&#8217;re moving forward.</p>
<p>&gt;&gt;to be available without cost at all times and places to everyone.&gt;&gt;</p>
<p>Yeah, but &#8220;what&#8221; needs to be available without a cost? I think after a learner reaches a certain point in their learning, they can afford to pay for an excellent piece of research that took mucho time, probably some dedication, and (by default) is written so only 100 people in the world have the background to understand. Ever read Skinner&#8217;s &#8220;Are Learning Theories Necessary&#8221; &#8230; I keep returning to it every few years to see if I really &#8220;get it&#8221; yet <img src='http://opencontent.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>&gt;&gt;“This artifact has been reviewed by objective<br />
experts in the field and passes muster.” Become the little logo placed<br />
on articles that let’s people know, “Oh. This should actually be a<br />
decent piece of writing.” Those are the types of services we need. You<br />
could provide them. We will pay for them. The Public Library of<br />
Science is doing this in other fields (<a href="http://www.plos.org/faq.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.plos.org/faq.html</a>).<br />
Lead education in the same direction!&gt;&gt;</p>
<p>Now I THINK we&#8217;re talking!</p>
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