Comments on: OCWC Raises $350k – Shouldn’t I Be Happy? http://opencontent.org/blog/archives/1261 pragmatism over zeal Tue, 31 Aug 2010 01:09:29 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Richard Ludlow http://opencontent.org/blog/archives/1261/comment-page-1#comment-45202 Richard Ludlow Mon, 08 Mar 2010 19:13:59 +0000 http://opencontent.org/blog/?p=1261#comment-45202 David, I think you're right to question the return on investment of any dollars being put into OER. The Hewlett Foundation has contributed over $100 million to the movement, and some of those dollars have certainly resulted in more value than others. It is for that very reason that I think the Consortium plays an important role. Much of the money that is spent on OER is spent in the discovery process and in setting up the initial infrastructure to create, host, and support open courses. To the extent that the Consortium centralizes this information and opens pathways for institutions to communicate with each other and share best practices, they can help reduce the amount of time and money spent reinventing the wheel. Instead of starting from scratch and incurring high setup costs, institutions could devote a much larger portion of their budgets towards your goal of actually producing and distributing more OER. - Richard Ludlow David,

I think you’re right to question the return on investment of any dollars being put into OER. The Hewlett Foundation has contributed over $100 million to the movement, and some of those dollars have certainly resulted in more value than others.

It is for that very reason that I think the Consortium plays an important role. Much of the money that is spent on OER is spent in the discovery process and in setting up the initial infrastructure to create, host, and support open courses.

To the extent that the Consortium centralizes this information and opens pathways for institutions to communicate with each other and share best practices, they can help reduce the amount of time and money spent reinventing the wheel.

Instead of starting from scratch and incurring high setup costs, institutions could devote a much larger portion of their budgets towards your goal of actually producing and distributing more OER.

- Richard Ludlow

]]> By: Muvaffak GOZAYDIN http://opencontent.org/blog/archives/1261/comment-page-1#comment-45141 Muvaffak GOZAYDIN Wed, 03 Mar 2010 21:32:36 +0000 http://opencontent.org/blog/?p=1261#comment-45141 Everybody knows " demand and supply " theory and reality. People demand credits and degrees from online as well. academicearth.org is a very good online content. Perfect. I would charge $ 10-20 per course per person for that in order to be sustainable. No project can go on only with donations. It has to be self financing. Self financing is extremely easy for ONLINE. ONLINE Contents can be shared by millions. Look up also Carnegie Mellon ONLINE courses. They even open their university ' s servers to learners and facilitators and they charge $ 10-20 per course. That is most beautiful model for online and sustainable model. I hope academicearth .org will follow them. Academicearth has almost 1000 courses online of the BEST Universitiers of USA. Those courses should be used by all universities and colleges in the USA and in the world for credits. Every local university can assign a facilitator professor for a course and he can manage the course. Opencourseware can not be sustainable without any charge. All MIT opencourseware can become open ONLINE courses like in academicearth.org Then demand will be tremendeous. Opencoursware is 80 % of the ONLINE Course, let it be 100 % with a small effort. mgozaydin@hotmail.com from Turkey Everybody knows ” demand and supply ” theory and reality.
People demand credits and degrees from online as well.
academicearth.org is a very good online content. Perfect.
I would charge $ 10-20 per course per person for that in order to be sustainable. No project can go on only with donations. It has to be self financing. Self financing is extremely easy for ONLINE. ONLINE Contents can be shared by millions.
Look up also Carnegie Mellon ONLINE courses. They even open their university ‘ s servers to learners and facilitators and they charge $ 10-20 per course. That is most beautiful model for online and sustainable model. I hope academicearth .org will follow them. Academicearth has almost 1000 courses online of the BEST Universitiers of USA. Those courses should be used by all universities and colleges in the USA and in the world for credits. Every local university can assign a facilitator professor for a course and he can manage the course.
Opencourseware can not be sustainable without any charge. All MIT opencourseware can become open ONLINE courses like in academicearth.org Then demand will be tremendeous. Opencoursware is 80 % of the ONLINE Course, let it be 100 % with a small effort.
mgozaydin@hotmail.com from Turkey

]]> By: Reaction to OCWC Fundraising « http://opencontent.org/blog/archives/1261/comment-page-1#comment-45139 Reaction to OCWC Fundraising « Wed, 03 Mar 2010 16:41:23 +0000 http://opencontent.org/blog/?p=1261#comment-45139 [...] 3, 2010 · Leave a Comment David Wiley has a new post reacting to yesterday’s story regarding OCWC fundraising. From the post: So [...] [...] 3, 2010 · Leave a Comment David Wiley has a new post reacting to yesterday’s story regarding OCWC fundraising. From the post: So [...]

]]> By: david http://opencontent.org/blog/archives/1261/comment-page-1#comment-45138 david Wed, 03 Mar 2010 16:36:52 +0000 http://opencontent.org/blog/?p=1261#comment-45138 Let's set aside the question of the multiple categories of membership. It's distracting from the real question. The primary question of the post is "what value is the OCWC adding to the field in exchange for the financial and time resources that are going there when they might have gone to OER development?" This shouldn't be a hard question to answer - the OCWC has won the support of a major foundation and several universities, so this argument must have been made at some point in the past. Let’s set aside the question of the multiple categories of membership. It’s distracting from the real question.

The primary question of the post is “what value is the OCWC adding to the field in exchange for the financial and time resources that are going there when they might have gone to OER development?” This shouldn’t be a hard question to answer – the OCWC has won the support of a major foundation and several universities, so this argument must have been made at some point in the past.

]]> By: Brendan Barrett http://opencontent.org/blog/archives/1261/comment-page-1#comment-45132 Brendan Barrett Wed, 03 Mar 2010 00:58:49 +0000 http://opencontent.org/blog/?p=1261#comment-45132 David, Interesting comments. Did we go on the wrong path with a consortium, which has then to sustain itself? Was there ever another model or another path? Brendan David,

Interesting comments. Did we go on the wrong path with a consortium, which has then to sustain itself? Was there ever another model or another path?

Brendan

]]> By: Steve Carson http://opencontent.org/blog/archives/1261/comment-page-1#comment-45131 Steve Carson Wed, 03 Mar 2010 00:29:36 +0000 http://opencontent.org/blog/?p=1261#comment-45131 David, Just to clarify, an affiliate member is a "normal" member. They are not an institutional member because they are not an institution. Has nothing to do with their content. Same as other for-profits and non-profits that publish course materials, such as Fahamu.org and Novell. Feel free to read the gory details here: http://wiki.ocwconsortium.org/index.php?title=ARTICLE_II_-_MEMBERSHIP S David,

Just to clarify, an affiliate member is a “normal” member. They are not an institutional member because they are not an institution. Has nothing to do with their content. Same as other for-profits and non-profits that publish course materials, such as Fahamu.org and Novell. Feel free to read the gory details here:

http://wiki.ocwconsortium.org/index.php?title=ARTICLE_II_-_MEMBERSHIP

S

]]> By: Steve Carson http://opencontent.org/blog/archives/1261/comment-page-1#comment-45127 Steve Carson Tue, 02 Mar 2010 22:43:09 +0000 http://opencontent.org/blog/?p=1261#comment-45127 Apparently link didn't come through above. Another try: http://www.ocwconsortium.org/index.php?option=com_docman&task=cat_view&gid=49&Itemid=249 Apparently link didn’t come through above. Another try:

http://www.ocwconsortium.org/index.php?option=com_docman&task=cat_view&gid=49&Itemid=249

]]> By: Steve Carson http://opencontent.org/blog/archives/1261/comment-page-1#comment-45126 Steve Carson Tue, 02 Mar 2010 22:41:55 +0000 http://opencontent.org/blog/?p=1261#comment-45126 David, Detailed information about OCW Consortium activities is available in the two documents found here: . The member list is just that, a list of members of the Consortium. We do not believe it represents in any way the breadth of the open education space. There are many fine individual and institutional efforts out there (such as the one mentioned above) that are every bit as interesting and effective as the OCW approach. Connexions is a member of the Consortium and on the member list you mention. [Edit by David - they are an Affiliate member. The post accurately says they are not a normal member.] Thanks as always for your observations. Steve David,

Detailed information about OCW Consortium activities is available in the two documents found here:
.

The member list is just that, a list of members of the Consortium. We do not believe it represents in any way the breadth of the open education space. There are many fine individual and institutional efforts out there (such as the one mentioned above) that are every bit as interesting and effective as the OCW approach.

Connexions is a member of the Consortium and on the member list you mention. [Edit by David - they are an Affiliate member. The post accurately says they are not a normal member.]

Thanks as always for your observations.

Steve

]]> By: Jim http://opencontent.org/blog/archives/1261/comment-page-1#comment-45125 Jim Tue, 02 Mar 2010 20:35:33 +0000 http://opencontent.org/blog/?p=1261#comment-45125 David, Right as rain, right as rain. And I wonder how loose projects happening at colleges and universities that are open and accessible, if not clearly ordered and delineated fit into such an idea of Open Courses. I'm becoming increasingly fascinated by the idea of making more content open and accessible, and have seen that over the last 6 months the small remote corner of open education I am involved with had over 1 million page views with unique visits from over 290,000 people from 166 countries. And while I don't think aggregates tell a complete story (or even a partial one often), but fact is that access was under girded by far less than $350,000 (about 60 less), and what's more, the idea of open in terms of seeing what and how people use the work suggests more than a course, but rather the value of this microcontent in the ecosystem of the web. How oter interact with, link to, and produce from what been created there, and vice versa. What becomes clear here is that open education may be most successful when it becomes an indiscernible part of the web rather than a separate, funded entity that promotes distinction to defend funding. David,
Right as rain, right as rain. And I wonder how loose projects happening at colleges and universities that are open and accessible, if not clearly ordered and delineated fit into such an idea of Open Courses. I’m becoming increasingly fascinated by the idea of making more content open and accessible, and have seen that over the last 6 months the small remote corner of open education I am involved with had over 1 million page views with unique visits from over 290,000 people from 166 countries. And while I don’t think aggregates tell a complete story (or even a partial one often), but fact is that access was under girded by far less than $350,000 (about 60 less), and what’s more, the idea of open in terms of seeing what and how people use the work suggests more than a course, but rather the value of this microcontent in the ecosystem of the web. How oter interact with, link to, and produce from what been created there, and vice versa. What becomes clear here is that open education may be most successful when it becomes an indiscernible part of the web rather than a separate, funded entity that promotes distinction to defend funding.

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