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	<description>pragmatism over zeal</description>
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		<title>By: Ray Tolley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ray Tolley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 22:07:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter, as much as I might agree with the vision of sharing anything and everything, is there not a starting point where the development of an idea might or might not take off?  Until such time as I have got my thinking straight and run a few tests I would not want to publicise something that might lead to my eternal embarrasment. Perhaps, when I feel a little more confident I will release a beta version or share the concept with a few friends.  Only after that would I be confident/proud enough to share it with an unsuspecting audience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter, as much as I might agree with the vision of sharing anything and everything, is there not a starting point where the development of an idea might or might not take off?  Until such time as I have got my thinking straight and run a few tests I would not want to publicise something that might lead to my eternal embarrasment. Perhaps, when I feel a little more confident I will release a beta version or share the concept with a few friends.  Only after that would I be confident/proud enough to share it with an unsuspecting audience.</p>
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		<title>By: Defining the &#8216;open&#8217; in open content &#171; Tony Bates</title>
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		<dc:creator>Defining the &#8216;open&#8217; in open content &#171; Tony Bates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 19:55:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] D. (2009) Defining &#8216;open&#8217; Iterating towards openness, November [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Bitte verlinken!:</title>
		<link>http://opencontent.org/blog/archives/1123/comment-page-1#comment-44531</link>
		<dc:creator>Bitte verlinken!:</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 12:18:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Zeitgeist-Modellen auf, für die die kollektiven ProduzentInnen nicht bezahlt werden. Außer in Open-Content-Modellen &#8211; dort fliesst das Re-Arrangement von originären Inhalten zurück an die [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Defining &#8220;Open&#8221;&#160;&#124;&#160;weiterbildungsblog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Defining &#8220;Open&#8221;&#160;&#124;&#160;weiterbildungsblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 16:58:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#8220;Much as we might measure the openness of a door in centimeters, we measure the openness of content in terms of the rights a user of the content is granted. The 4Rs Framework describes the four most important rights: 1. Reuse - the right to reuse the content in its unaltered / verbatim form 2. Revise - the right to adapt, adjust, modify, or alter the content itself 3. Remix - the right to combine the original or revised content with other content to create something new 4. Redistribute - the right to make and share copies of the original content, your revisions, or your remixes with others.&#8221; David Wiley, iterating toward openness, 16. November 2009 [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &#8220;Much as we might measure the openness of a door in centimeters, we measure the openness of content in terms of the rights a user of the content is granted. The 4Rs Framework describes the four most important rights: 1. Reuse &#8211; the right to reuse the content in its unaltered / verbatim form 2. Revise &#8211; the right to adapt, adjust, modify, or alter the content itself 3. Remix &#8211; the right to combine the original or revised content with other content to create something new 4. Redistribute &#8211; the right to make and share copies of the original content, your revisions, or your remixes with others.&#8221; David Wiley, iterating toward openness, 16. November 2009 [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick McAndrew</title>
		<link>http://opencontent.org/blog/archives/1123/comment-page-1#comment-44514</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick McAndrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 12:03:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As someone who works for The Open University as well as in Open Educational Resources/Open Contner. There is certainly a changing definition but it is worth looking back at the openness behind the OU&#039;s establishment which was about providing open access not in terms of cost and copyright but avoiding pre judgement of ability and methods. The Ou mission from 40 years ago and today is Open as to people, places, methods and ideas. These turn out to be fairly resilient principles that sit well with the move to open content. My colleague Martin Weller wrote some more on this at http://opencontent.org/blog/archives/1123

Patrick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As someone who works for The Open University as well as in Open Educational Resources/Open Contner. There is certainly a changing definition but it is worth looking back at the openness behind the OU&#8217;s establishment which was about providing open access not in terms of cost and copyright but avoiding pre judgement of ability and methods. The Ou mission from 40 years ago and today is Open as to people, places, methods and ideas. These turn out to be fairly resilient principles that sit well with the move to open content. My colleague Martin Weller wrote some more on this at <a href="http://opencontent.org/blog/archives/1123" rel="nofollow">http://opencontent.org/blog/archives/1123</a></p>
<p>Patrick.</p>
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		<title>By: Stevan Harnad</title>
		<link>http://opencontent.org/blog/archives/1123/comment-page-1#comment-44512</link>
		<dc:creator>Stevan Harnad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 08:02:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your 4 Rs confirm again that Open Content is not what the global Open Access movement is seeking for their peer-reviewed research articles. R1 and R4 and to some extent R3 more or less come with the free online territory (as long as you &quot;use&quot; the URL rather than the verbatim text); and of course the *content* can be fully re-used, mixed and matched (with attribution). But the real gist of Open Content, R2, fine for Open Data as well as for videos, music and software, if the creators so wish it, is definitely wrong and undesired by the authors of the 2.5 million  articles published each year in the planet&#039;s 25,000 peer-reviewed journals, OA&#039;s target content. Free online access (&quot;Gratis OA&quot;) is all that is sought.  http://bit.ly/2gcNqD</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your 4 Rs confirm again that Open Content is not what the global Open Access movement is seeking for their peer-reviewed research articles. R1 and R4 and to some extent R3 more or less come with the free online territory (as long as you &#8220;use&#8221; the URL rather than the verbatim text); and of course the *content* can be fully re-used, mixed and matched (with attribution). But the real gist of Open Content, R2, fine for Open Data as well as for videos, music and software, if the creators so wish it, is definitely wrong and undesired by the authors of the 2.5 million  articles published each year in the planet&#8217;s 25,000 peer-reviewed journals, OA&#8217;s target content. Free online access (&#8220;Gratis OA&#8221;) is all that is sought.  <a href="http://bit.ly/2gcNqD" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/2gcNqD</a></p>
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		<title>By: Paz Prendes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paz Prendes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 23:15:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting this post and all the comments about it. But in my opinion there is an approach of openess that is previous to the approach based in the concept of open source.
From the pedagogical point of view we have used the concept &quot;open&quot; before using it with this sense. In 90th we spoke about open contents in oposition to closed contents -explaining this  based in the concept of hypertext and hypermedia defined in 60th-. In our definition, open content is a pedagogical structure of information that promote the surfing in the net, so in other words, open content is a digital course designed thinking in a student who have to use other links, other documents, other digital information. Closed content would be a pedagogical structure that is enough to obtain the goals defined previosly, it´s no necesary to go out and there aren´t links to do it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting this post and all the comments about it. But in my opinion there is an approach of openess that is previous to the approach based in the concept of open source.<br />
From the pedagogical point of view we have used the concept &#8220;open&#8221; before using it with this sense. In 90th we spoke about open contents in oposition to closed contents -explaining this  based in the concept of hypertext and hypermedia defined in 60th-. In our definition, open content is a pedagogical structure of information that promote the surfing in the net, so in other words, open content is a digital course designed thinking in a student who have to use other links, other documents, other digital information. Closed content would be a pedagogical structure that is enough to obtain the goals defined previosly, it´s no necesary to go out and there aren´t links to do it.</p>
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		<title>By: Defining Open &#171;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Defining Open &#171;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 20:03:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 17, 2009 &#183; Leave a Comment  David Wiley has a new post attempting to define open. Wiley argues that openness is a continuum, not a binary concept. From [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Andrew Rens</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Rens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 09:18:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for this insightful contribution to this important conversation. There are a few issues not addressed on which I&#039;d appreciate hearing your thinking.

Although you would like to avoid a binary approach there must be a point at which something is not open but closed. When do you think that point is reached? The reason this is important is that one commentator on open education has suggested that content available to anyone on RAND (reasonable and non discriminatory) terms is &quot;open&quot;. I don&#039;t agree. In principle a licence fee renders content closed. In practise RAND is never reasonable and non discriminatory. A charge of 1 USD might be &quot;reasonable&quot; in the United States but would not be in Mozambique where most people live on less than 1 USD a day. Even if the price were lowered for people in Mozambique they would have no means of paying it, since they don&#039;t have access to credit cards or payment mechanisms. If open is to have a global rather than US-centric meaning then the realities of the lives of ordinary people around the world need to be taken into account.

This is not to say that open educational content producers or distributors should not create business models which involve charging for some uses of content, but that in describing the content as open only the royalty free uses can be taken into account. Thus a publisher could licence content for non commercial use, and legitimately describe the content as open, and then charge for commercial uses of the content. The commercial use would be under a different licence and wouldn&#039;t be described as open.

The next issue is that whether a resource is open or not is dependent not only licences but format. A notionally open resource which cannot be easily reproduced, revised, re-mixed and re-distributed cannot be described as open. In this context proprietary formats, which require a re-user to purchase software to use a resource constitute an indirect levy on re-users. This could be considered part of the sliding scale of openness, with a rather a resource which is technically harder to re-use, or in a proprietary format, less open than a resource which is an open format and usable with free tools.

Finally I&#039;d like to hear more on the distinction between re-mix and revise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for this insightful contribution to this important conversation. There are a few issues not addressed on which I&#8217;d appreciate hearing your thinking.</p>
<p>Although you would like to avoid a binary approach there must be a point at which something is not open but closed. When do you think that point is reached? The reason this is important is that one commentator on open education has suggested that content available to anyone on RAND (reasonable and non discriminatory) terms is &#8220;open&#8221;. I don&#8217;t agree. In principle a licence fee renders content closed. In practise RAND is never reasonable and non discriminatory. A charge of 1 USD might be &#8220;reasonable&#8221; in the United States but would not be in Mozambique where most people live on less than 1 USD a day. Even if the price were lowered for people in Mozambique they would have no means of paying it, since they don&#8217;t have access to credit cards or payment mechanisms. If open is to have a global rather than US-centric meaning then the realities of the lives of ordinary people around the world need to be taken into account.</p>
<p>This is not to say that open educational content producers or distributors should not create business models which involve charging for some uses of content, but that in describing the content as open only the royalty free uses can be taken into account. Thus a publisher could licence content for non commercial use, and legitimately describe the content as open, and then charge for commercial uses of the content. The commercial use would be under a different licence and wouldn&#8217;t be described as open.</p>
<p>The next issue is that whether a resource is open or not is dependent not only licences but format. A notionally open resource which cannot be easily reproduced, revised, re-mixed and re-distributed cannot be described as open. In this context proprietary formats, which require a re-user to purchase software to use a resource constitute an indirect levy on re-users. This could be considered part of the sliding scale of openness, with a rather a resource which is technically harder to re-use, or in a proprietary format, less open than a resource which is an open format and usable with free tools.</p>
<p>Finally I&#8217;d like to hear more on the distinction between re-mix and revise.</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne Mackintosh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wayne Mackintosh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 04:14:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi David,

The 4R framework is both compelling and speaks the language of educators. This is valuable contribution to our field.

A door is open or shut, so the compelling issue is to think about the minimum criteria to assess when a door is open (as opposed to being shut.) Those of us coming from the free software traditions will argue that the RMSs essential freedoms are the minimum requirement to say that the door is open. When dealing with educational content -- this is not as straight forward as the case for software. 

Another example in helping us think about these questions is the Free Cultural Works Definition (http://www.freedomdefined.org) which has been adopted by the WMF projects, WikiEdcuator and Creative Commons provide a reference to Free Cultural Works Approved Licenses. As in the case of the Open Source Software Definition -- the Free Cultural Works definition does not assume any preference for license or public domain declaration -- it focuses on the essential freedoms (or specific interpretations of the 4R framework.)

In the educational context, I think that the nomenclature  &quot;open content&quot; is better than &quot;free content&quot;. However this creates confusion or possibly enriches another set of discourse associated with open distance learning, namely the philosophy of open learning which underpins much of the research and theoretical work in distance education. The OER movement would benefit tremendously from reading this cannon of research, particularly the debates giving meaning and depth to the concept of &quot;Open Learning&quot; as published in the distance education literature.

In my view openness is not a debate about copyright, licenses or public domain. These are merely instruments used to implement the underlying values and philosophy of what we&#039;re collectively trying to achieve.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi David,</p>
<p>The 4R framework is both compelling and speaks the language of educators. This is valuable contribution to our field.</p>
<p>A door is open or shut, so the compelling issue is to think about the minimum criteria to assess when a door is open (as opposed to being shut.) Those of us coming from the free software traditions will argue that the RMSs essential freedoms are the minimum requirement to say that the door is open. When dealing with educational content &#8212; this is not as straight forward as the case for software. </p>
<p>Another example in helping us think about these questions is the Free Cultural Works Definition (<a href="http://www.freedomdefined.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.freedomdefined.org</a>) which has been adopted by the WMF projects, WikiEdcuator and Creative Commons provide a reference to Free Cultural Works Approved Licenses. As in the case of the Open Source Software Definition &#8212; the Free Cultural Works definition does not assume any preference for license or public domain declaration &#8212; it focuses on the essential freedoms (or specific interpretations of the 4R framework.)</p>
<p>In the educational context, I think that the nomenclature  &#8220;open content&#8221; is better than &#8220;free content&#8221;. However this creates confusion or possibly enriches another set of discourse associated with open distance learning, namely the philosophy of open learning which underpins much of the research and theoretical work in distance education. The OER movement would benefit tremendously from reading this cannon of research, particularly the debates giving meaning and depth to the concept of &#8220;Open Learning&#8221; as published in the distance education literature.</p>
<p>In my view openness is not a debate about copyright, licenses or public domain. These are merely instruments used to implement the underlying values and philosophy of what we&#8217;re collectively trying to achieve.</p>
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